Topic: bombing sa glorietta

[turmoil]

@ agentorange

Sigurado ka ba sa mga pinagsasabi mo?Kung sure ka eh pumunta ka sa Crame para makatulong ka sa kanila.Pero kung haka haka lang ang

mga pinagsasabi mo ay ayusin mo ang mga sinasabi mo.May mga Muslim na sira ulo at may mga Kristiyano ding may sayad sa utak.

Huwag mong lahatin lahat.Wala sa ating nakakasiguro sa mga nangyari,kaya pag isipan muna natin ang ating ginagawang pagbibintang.


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@ agentorange
Yeah! I agree with tonikoro. Di po ako Muslim, but I have Muslim friends. Dko rin cla kinakampihan. Kaibigan, dahan-dahan ka sa pagbibintang sa kanila, tama sinabi mo marami siraulo Muslim, pero tama din sabi ni tonikoro, mas marami may sayad na kristiyano. Pag sinabi mo may sayad wala na sila kilala kung sino man masasaktan nila, buti pa siraulo pag sinigawan mo matatakot pa sa'yo. Hinay-hinay lang sa pag ja-judge sa mga kapatid nating mga muslims. Malay mo baka tama si javadotnet sa analyze niya!

[alexchio9]

yap, wag ntn ito lahatin dhildi lahat ng mga krimen ay gawa ng mga muslim, lets be fair to them naman... okey? :-X

[Master Dave]

it could be a terrorist attack.. on the same day, october 19 midnight in Pakistan, 2 suicide bombers killed 125 and injured around 600 people..

[JSoftcore]

May konting confirmation na C4 nga raw ang ginamit : http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view_article.php?article_id=95665

So may malaking posibilidad na sangkot nga military dito.

@ agentorange at sa lahat ng may anti-Muslim sentiment:
Hinay-hinay lang mga ka-espiya. Konting fairness naman para sa mga kapatid nating Muslim. Kung ibi-bring up ninyo ang kasaysayan, huwag niyo sanang kalimutan na ang mga Kristiyano ang may pakana sa Crusades, na gumagamit ng kung anu-anong propaganda, pagkukubli, at mga assasin ang Simbahang Katolika para sa kanilang mga layunin. Kahit anong relihiyon--actually, hindi lang relihiyon, kundi mga gobyerno at korporasyon din--ay gumagamit ng bayolenteng paraan para sa kanilang sariling kapakanan.

At ngayong C4 nga ang base ng bomba na ginamit sa Glorietta, nasaan na ang mga Muslim extremist mo? Militar ang malamang gumawa nito. Kung isang fundamentalist Muslim extremist group ang gumawa nito, maaring gamitin nila e carbombs, suicide bombers o isang homemade bomb, hindi C4.

Sa kabilang banda, maari rin namang Al Qaeda ito na may kuneksyon sa militar, pero hindi nila ito style. At isipin mo na lang, nanghihimasok na ang FBI sa imbestigasyon. Isipin mo na lang ang mangyayari kung nalaman ng US na nakikipagsabwatan ang militar natin sa mga terorista.

Our military is a sloppy one, proven not only by the evidence of C4 in the Glorietta blast, but by the accounts of the desaparcidos being in their custody, the jueteng pay-offs, among others. And to think na intelligence ang isa sa mga pinakaimportanteng aspeto ng kanilang mga gawain. May tiwala pa naman ako sa ating mga tagapagtanggol, ang problema lang madalas e ang mga heneral na hindi man lamang nakatuntong sa field combat, panay admin work, pero tingnan mo silang magpakasasa ngayon. But I digress...

Hindi dapat tayo magpaloko. Pwede ngang terrorist attack ito, pero hintayin natin ang iba pang ebidensya na hindi nila itatago sa publiko.

(Pasensya na, napanood ko kasi ang V for Vendetta ngayong umaga sa HBO e. Timing no?  )

 

[Burn_carino]

d naman siguro gago ang gobyerno para gumawa ng ikakasira nya para d ninyo naman alam ang takbo ng pilitika sa pilipinas marami politiko ang nais sumira sa gobyerno ni arroyo lalo marami rin naman nagawa ang kasuluyan nakaupo d tulad ng mga nagdaan pangulo magsimula kay cory at kay ramos,estrada anu bang nangyari sa pilipinas ng umopo ang tatlo yan san tambak na utang lalo dami na nga utang si marcos nainiwan sa pilipinas dinagdagan pa ng tatlo naging pangulo atleast ngayon nabawasan ang napakalaking interes na binabayaran ng ating bansa,siguro naman d tayo bulag para sa mga mgandang proyekto nagagawa sa ating ating bansa lalo sa probinsya ng pilipinas na halos pinaguukulan ng gobyerno....tungkol sa pagsabog sa glorieta masakit isipin may namatay at mga nasaktan tayo kababayan sa pangyayari pagsabog pero d naman yata tama ibintang agad natin sa gobyerno ang pangyayari para mapagtakpan ang ang kamalian nila isipin nalang natin marami galit sa kasalukuyan nakaupo dhil sa mga ginawa nyang maganda proyekto bakit d natin tignan kung sinu ang mga iyon siguro alam naman natin kung sinu ang mga taon malimit nais maging magulo ang atin bansa...nandyan ang terorista nan dyan rin naman ang mga oposisyon na wala inisip kundi kasiraan ng ating gobyerno kasi lahat iyan ay puro may interes maging pangulo lalo malapit ng national eleksiyon gusto nilang maging mabango sa taong bayan tignan natin pagsila ng nakaupo kung anu ang magagawa nila sa pilipinas....

[-=Kurabo=-]

ewan ko bsta may pakiramdam ako n wlang kinalamn ang terrosita d2.. tingin koh parang may political motives ang gumawa n2.. kasi it's either matakpan ang mga controversies na lumlabas or mas magkaroon ng dahilan para maimpeach si GMA.. parehas self interest.. kung tama nga ako.. sobra n talaga ang politika natin s pinas..

add ko lang wag nyo naman sisihin ang mga muslim hindi lahat ng muslim ang ganun.. altough marami akong muslim n nencounter n halos lahat ay maangas at mayayabang.. hndi ko pa rin sila nilalahat.. ung mga gumagawa lng ng muslim n ganun is yung mga naliligaw ng paniniwala.. un ung mga hndi naiintndihan kung ano b talga ang gustong ituro ng relihyon nila..

[bleep]

pwedeng gama nga ni GMA pwedeng gawa din ng mga against sa Administration.

pwede din namang terorista.

ang sa akin lng, alam naman nating lahat na magaling mga legal advisers ni GMA, kung Legal ways ang pag uusapan, halos di na matitibag si Gloria hanggang 2010. kaya ang opinyon ko lng, di ggwin ng adminstration yan para lng i divert ang focus ng mga tao. dahil kung sila man ggwa nito at biglang may lumabas na whistleblower, di na legal na paraan sila maaalis, EDSA REVOLUTION na. at mas mahirap yun para sa kanila.

ayaw kong isipin na oposisyon may gawa nito kaya terorista ang pilit kong iniisip, pero kung si GMA ang sisisihin sa mga diskusyon, may mas malaking dahilan na gawin ito ng oposisyon.

eto po ay opinyon ko lamang

sir, di hamak na mas madami ang pera at resources ng administration compared to the opposition. if i was in the opposition, titipirin ko lahat ng makukuha ko resources kung gagalaw para mag coup ulit (di siguro malayo ito sa galit ng mga sundalo). at kung may bobombahin, siguro malacanang ang dapat pasabugin at hindi yung mga mall na maraming inosente na madadamay. di naman galit ang opposition sa mamamayan eh.

[ichiru_69]

bakit ba lahat ng sisi sa government indi ba ito tactika ng kalaban ng government para bumagsak ang economy... lets be fair sa mga last presidents si arroyo lang nakappag stabilize ng economy natin.. dahil dito ba bagsak nanaman economy natin,,

[-=Kurabo=-]

sir, di hamak na mas madami ang pera at resources ng administration compared to the opposition. if i was in the opposition, titipirin ko lahat ng makukuha ko resources kung gagalaw para mag coup ulit (di siguro malayo ito sa galit ng mga sundalo). at kung may bobombahin, siguro malacanang ang dapat pasabugin at hindi yung mga mall na maraming inosente na madadamay. di naman galit ang opposition sa mamamayan eh.

pero pede rin kasi kung magakakron ng ganun kaguluhan for sure kay GMA ang sisi kaya pedeng mas effecient way yung ganun para masibak sya s pwesto

[TobleRONe]

meron palang C4 militar natin. 

seriously, di mo kailangan ng napakalaking resources para makakuha ng C4, alam nyo ba sa amin sa Bulacan eh, binebenta ng NPA yung M16 nila ng 2500 lang. 50 caliber ma machine gun 10k with 1 box ng ammo pa. grenade for 300/piece. kaya for sure C4 madali rin lang mabili dito sa atin. + blasting cap at ...

tama na, nagtuturo na ako paano gumawa ng bomba.

[123kid123]

The obvious is GMA did it.

So who's playing the obvious cards?

We all know that this tragedy will all point to the administration. So, why the hell would the GMA administration play obvious cards?

Who benefits? GMA administration? no because as stated they will be pointed at. Opposition? Yes.

Let's go back to history. Who benefited from Aquino assassination? Marcos? Hell no. Marcos did everything he can to protect the good Senator because he knew that if something happened to him all fingers will point to him. Unfortunately for him, it did.

[albback4u]

Ang maganda mag-karoon ng independent investigation...preferrably galing sa ibang bansa.  Kasi kung PNP lang ang mag-release ng info about the bombing wala naman maniniwala.

Pero sa tingin ko parang nakasanayan na ang bombings.  Parang tuwing mag-papasko meron.
Yung peso exchange akala ko babagsak ng malaki pero very small drop lang...actually yung pag-baba niya parang normal fluctuation lang sa market.  Ibig sabihin ba pati investors sa pinas sanay na sa mga bombing and other government issues?  Hindi na nila iniinda parang natural na pamamalakad na lang sa philippine economy at large.

[Hayblad]

bakit ba lahat ng sisi sa government indi ba ito tactika ng kalaban ng government para bumagsak ang economy... lets be fair sa mga last presidents si arroyo lang nakappag stabilize ng economy natin.. dahil dito ba bagsak nanaman economy natin,,

agree ako dito, yun lang 

[javadotnet]

C4 ang bomb. Military grade high explosive bomb.

San ba makukuha un!? sa military dba.

GMA is getting desperate para ma iba un usapan kaya nangyari cguro ito.

They robbing us millions and billions of pesos, maraming nammatay dahil sa kawalan ng mahihingan ng tulong sa oras ng kinakailangan. (eg.) May mga namamatay na mga matatanda na nakadilat kakahingi ng mga pension nila sa government. Kaya to take 100+ lives for them is so easy just to justify their next actions. Inuuna nila ang bulsa nila kaya sa tungkulin nila sa bansa.

The most terrorist attack is done by its government. Wlang nahuhuli, pag may nahuli nakaktakas or isang fall guy.

This is sometimes done by the president to sway votes on the law makers or to justify and support their next actions. Nangyayari din po to sa ibang bansa.

Un lang po. Kayo nalang po humusga.

[tonikoro[deactivated]]

C4 ang bomb. Military grade high explosive bomb.

San ba makukuha un!? sa military dba.

GMA is getting desperate para ma iba un usapan kaya nangyari cguro ito.

They robbing us millions and billions of pesos, maraming nammatay dahil sa kawalan ng mahihingan ng tulong sa oras ng kinakailangan. (eg.) May mga namamatay na mga matatanda na nakadilat kakahingi ng mga pension nila sa government. Kaya to take 100+ lives for them is so easy just to justify their next actions. Inuuna nila ang bulsa nila kaya sa tungkulin nila sa bansa.

The most terrorist attack is done by its government. Wlang nahuhuli, pag may nahuli nakaktakas or isang fall guy.

This is sometimes done by the president to sway votes on the law makers or to justify and support their next actions. Nangyayari din po to sa ibang bansa.

Un lang po. Kayo nalang po humusga.

Militar lang ba ang gumagamit ng C4?

[bleep]

C4 ang bomb. Military grade high explosive bomb.

San ba makukuha un!? sa military dba.

GMA is getting desperate para ma iba un usapan kaya nangyari cguro ito.

They robbing us millions and billions of pesos, maraming nammatay dahil sa kawalan ng mahihingan ng tulong sa oras ng kinakailangan. (eg.) May mga namamatay na mga matatanda na nakadilat kakahingi ng mga pension nila sa government. Kaya to take 100+ lives for them is so easy just to justify their next actions. Inuuna nila ang bulsa nila kaya sa tungkulin nila sa bansa.

The most terrorist attack is done by its government. Wlang nahuhuli, pag may nahuli nakaktakas or isang fall guy.

This is sometimes done by the president to sway votes on the law makers or to justify and support their next actions. Nangyayari din po to sa ibang bansa.

Un lang po. Kayo nalang po humusga.

Militar lang ba ang gumagamit ng C4?

yes. only they can bring this in. pero ang tsismis ay nagbebenta sila niyan sa mga kalaban nila like the abu sayaf etc. medyo may pera ata kasi sa gera.

[tonikoro[deactivated]]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/c-42.htm

Both the military and terrorists uses C4 explosives.

Kung militar ka at sa tingin ng mga tao na kayo lang ang pwdeng gumamit ng c4...eh gagamitin mo pa kaya ito?


 

[WATCHER0413]

      Kahit sino pa ang may gawa nitong bombing na ito, sana mamatay na rin siya, kasama ng buong pamilya niya. Lagi na lang nakakaawa ang mga inosenteng sibilyan.
   
      1. Kung ang mga muslim man ang may gawa nito, sana once and for all ay ubusin na yang mga barbaric na yan. Mga DUWAG naman, laging naka-maskara at ayaw pakita ang mga mukha. Puro bombing ang ginagawa. Pag hinabol naman ng all-out-war ay "Paece Talk" agad ang dinidiga.

      2. Kung totoo naman na ang Administrasyon ang may gawa nito ( huwag naman po sana), Diyos ko po. Wala na talaga kayong konsensya. Pinapatay niyo na nga sa gutom ang taumbayan, papatay pa kayo sa paraan ng bombing? Maawa naman po kayo sa amin.

     Nakakalungkot pag naiisip ko ang mga kawawang namatay, at ang mga pamilyang naiwan nila.
May their souls rest in peace.And my condolences to their families.

[bleep]

pano magiging tactics ng opposition ito? ano makukuha ng opposition dito? pabagsakin ang ekonomiya natin? hindi ba bumabagsak na ekonomiya natin dahil sa dami ng skandalo ng ating adminstration?

tignan natin ang timing naman. sunod sunod na scandals ang nabubuking. dahil may bombing na ang tinuturo ang terrorista o opposition, puede na mag declare si gma ng martial law. eto ang gagamiting dahilan. makikinabang ba ang opposition dito? hindi, kasi lalo sila maiipit ni gma pag nag martial law na. ubos silang lahat sa martial law.

sino ang makikinabang ngayon? opposition o si gma?

[carlocarr]

The obvious is GMA did it.

So who's playing the obvious cards?

We all know that this tragedy will all point to the administration. So, why the hell would the GMA administration play obvious cards?

Who benefits? GMA administration? no because as stated they will be pointed at. Opposition? Yes.

Let's go back to history. Who benefited from Aquino assassination? Marcos? Hell no. Marcos did everything he can to protect the good Senator because he knew that if something happened to him all fingers will point to him. Unfortunately for him, it did.

diba gawain din yan ni Marcos dati.Twing may scandal tungkol sa kanya nagpapasabog sya ng bomba. Hula ko Gloria has something to do about it.Tska tungkol dun sa nakita ko na news na inamin na ng terrorista na sila gumawa.. malay ba natin kung goverment lang ang nagpakana nun para mabaling ang attensyon natin. Well subagay, kahit humaba pa tong topic na to, di pa rin natin kayang matukoy kung sinu talaga ang gumawa.Goverment man o terrorist ang gumawa, we will never know... para nga sakin, useless ang investigation na to. Nothing will happen. So go on with your life.I-wish nyo nalang na next tym maisipang pumatay ng Goverment or terrorists, eh di kayu madamay..

[123kid123]

Man think about it. What hit the news during the day of bombing? It was the administration's doing that it is a diversion tactic. Why would the administration do that? Why would they let the public think of it's was a diversion tactic? And about the declaration of Martial Law, it's suicide. Again why the hell would the administration allow that? Again go back to Marcos administration, who benefited from Ninoy's assassination?

Economy is going what? Man, read the newspapers' business section. True, that there are people below poverty line but it's their own doing. They have been there for the longest time. Man, try to visit one of the poor areas, you'll see men without shirts sitting around in a weekday afternoon.

Innocent until proven guilty.

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

Anyway, I remember the senators' interview yesterday regarding the issue. Sen. Lacson said that let's all wait for the investigation and don't jump into conclusions. Sen, Pimental said, it was administration's doing. Man, people are dead and all he can think of his own political gain? Can't we all stopppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp this bullcrap. I mean we will not progress if we all become sissy chit chatters. I'm really tired of this. Imagination.

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

Innocent until proven guilty.

[bleep]

martial law is suicide to the arroyo administration? dont you remember she had put out a similar thing in the past but just changed martial law to a different name?

i agree that some people who are poor have done that to themselves. but there are others out there who strive hard but are still paid crap. is that a good economy? go to other countries, you can be paid minimum wage as a government employee, and you would survive comfortably. in the philippines, with a job paying you P50,000 a month, wouldnt be good enough to raise a family. have you seen any poor politicians? they're filthy rich. wasnt the zte deal scrapped? arent they closing another deal similar to this nbn deal and will cost the filipinos even more that the broadband deal? to make money maybe...

a lot of those in the streets, shirtless on weekday afternoons arent all helpless/useless. they may have lost their jobs due to their former companies closing down due to a bad economy. it isnt easy getting a decent job nowadays. good education is very expensive. if they werent born into a good family, not all the siblings can afford to study in a good school. they sometimes put their eggs in one basket and put one sibling to a good school, hoping he would be able to save the family in the future. did you hear that one of those bread winners was killed in the glorietta bombing?

how many policemen have you paid off to get out of a parking ticket? arent they out there when its nearing lunch and dinnertime, and gone after? they make money from kotong because their salary isnt good enough. doesnt that tell you what kind of an economy we have?

i agree with you when you said it isnt right for politicians to pin the blame on the administration at once. like i said before, politics here is dirty.

in our country, how long does it take to get justice? in all the years that we have been on top of the worlds most corrupt countries, how many politicians have we nabbed for corruption? in the philippines, if you have money, you can get away with anything.

its easy to say innocent until proven guilty. pretend you had a reporter for a relative (who was writing about a corrupt govt official), how would you feel if that relative of yours was gunned down by hoodlums with high powered weapons? how would you feel if you lost a loved one in the glorietta bombing? do you think they would be able to find those who were really responsible?

im not here to argue or blame anyone. this is a good place to hear out opinions/thoughts of friends and maybe get a better perspective of things. we can learn from websites like these.

[javadotnet]

martial law is suicide to the arroyo administration? dont you remember she had put out a similar thing in the past but just changed martial law to a different name?

i agree that some people who are poor have done that to themselves. but there are others out there who strive hard but are still paid crap. is that a good economy? go to other countries, you can be paid minimum wage as a government employee, and you would survive comfortably. in the philippines, with a job paying you P50,000 a month, wouldnt be good enough to raise a family. have you seen any poor politicians? they're filthy rich. wasnt the zte deal scrapped? arent they closing another deal similar to this nbn deal and will cost the filipinos even more that the broadband deal? to make money maybe...

a lot of those in the streets, shirtless on weekday afternoons arent all helpless/useless. they may have lost their jobs due to their former companies closing down due to a bad economy. it isnt easy getting a decent job nowadays. good education is very expensive. if they werent born into a good family, not all the siblings can afford to study in a good school. they sometimes put their eggs in one basket and put one sibling to a good school, hoping he would be able to save the family in the future. did you hear that one of those bread winners was killed in the glorietta bombing?

how many policemen have you paid off to get out of a parking ticket? arent they out there when its nearing lunch and dinnertime, and gone after? they make money from kotong because their salary isnt good enough. doesnt that tell you what kind of an economy we have?

i agree with you when you said it isnt right for politicians to pin the blame on the administration at once. like i said before, politics here is dirty.

in our country, how long does it take to get justice? in all the years that we have been on top of the worlds most corrupt countries, how many politicians have we nabbed for corruption? in the philippines, if you have money, you can get away with anything.

its easy to say innocent until proven guilty. pretend you had a reporter for a relative (who was writing about a corrupt govt official), how would you feel if that relative of yours was gunned down by hoodlums with high powered weapons? how would you feel if you lost a loved one in the glorietta bombing? do you think they would be able to find those who were really responsible?

im not here to argue or blame anyone. this is a good place to hear out opinions/thoughts of friends and maybe get a better perspective of things. we can learn from websites like these.

Nice said!!! Hands up to you!!!!

[albback4u]

C4 ang bomb. Military grade high explosive bomb.

San ba makukuha un!? sa military dba.

GMA is getting desperate para ma iba un usapan kaya nangyari cguro ito.

They robbing us millions and billions of pesos, maraming nammatay dahil sa kawalan ng mahihingan ng tulong sa oras ng kinakailangan. (eg.) May mga namamatay na mga matatanda na nakadilat kakahingi ng mga pension nila sa government. Kaya to take 100+ lives for them is so easy just to justify their next actions. Inuuna nila ang bulsa nila kaya sa tungkulin nila sa bansa.

The most terrorist attack is done by its government. Wlang nahuhuli, pag may nahuli nakaktakas or isang fall guy.

This is sometimes done by the president to sway votes on the law makers or to justify and support their next actions. Nangyayari din po to sa ibang bansa.

Un lang po. Kayo nalang po humusga.

Militar lang ba ang gumagamit ng C4?

I saw sa ANC yung interview ng bomb experts sabi nila RDX daw ang nakita nila.  RDX is the main component of C4.  This is not an ordinary explosive component....yung RDX maski barilin mo ng small firearms doesn't explode.  Sindihan mo ng posporo masusunog lang siya.  You need a detonator to make it explode like that.   So, whoever did this has a background in high explosive.  Dalawa lang ang marunong niyan Military and yung mining industry.  Ginagamit ang RDX sa Mining.

[albback4u]

martial law is suicide to the arroyo administration? dont you remember she had put out a similar thing in the past but just changed martial law to a different name?

i agree that some people who are poor have done that to themselves. but there are others out there who strive hard but are still paid crap. is that a good economy? go to other countries, you can be paid minimum wage as a government employee, and you would survive comfortably. in the philippines, with a job paying you P50,000 a month, wouldnt be good enough to raise a family. have you seen any poor politicians? they're filthy rich. wasnt the zte deal scrapped? arent they closing another deal similar to this nbn deal and will cost the filipinos even more that the broadband deal? to make money maybe...

a lot of those in the streets, shirtless on weekday afternoons arent all helpless/useless. they may have lost their jobs due to their former companies closing down due to a bad economy. it isnt easy getting a decent job nowadays. good education is very expensive. if they werent born into a good family, not all the siblings can afford to study in a good school. they sometimes put their eggs in one basket and put one sibling to a good school, hoping he would be able to save the family in the future. did you hear that one of those bread winners was killed in the glorietta bombing?

how many policemen have you paid off to get out of a parking ticket? arent they out there when its nearing lunch and dinnertime, and gone after? they make money from kotong because their salary isnt good enough. doesnt that tell you what kind of an economy we have?

i agree with you when you said it isnt right for politicians to pin the blame on the administration at once. like i said before, politics here is dirty.

in our country, how long does it take to get justice? in all the years that we have been on top of the worlds most corrupt countries, how many politicians have we nabbed for corruption? in the philippines, if you have money, you can get away with anything.

its easy to say innocent until proven guilty. pretend you had a reporter for a relative (who was writing about a corrupt govt official), how would you feel if that relative of yours was gunned down by hoodlums with high powered weapons? how would you feel if you lost a loved one in the glorietta bombing? do you think they would be able to find those who were really responsible?

im not here to argue or blame anyone. this is a good place to hear out opinions/thoughts of friends and maybe get a better perspective of things. we can learn from websites like these.

i think 50,000 a month is enough to raise a family...basta wag lang maluho.