Topic: Biblical Mysteries Explained: The Lost Gospels

[beaverjohn2006]

watch it guys, very informative... lost gospels na sinunog ni constatine...

actually  si constantine nag-invent ng pagka dios ni cristo sa nicea 325 A.D.

ayon sa lost gospel pinatunayan na si cristo ay anak lamang ng dios... not a god the son....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgAKhdbzfNg[/youtube]

[sept15fun]

but how? how did they know ... na sa panahong yun di pa sila isinilang?

This world controlled by conspiracies^^

[BaTistAbomB]

thanks for sharing, hanap ko yung secrets of revalation, these documentaries are very informative..

[sajangnim]

It’s erroneous to speak of these as lost gospels. They were not lost; they were rejected by the church around the time they were originally written.

[magister418]

The bible as we know today is a product of discussion and collegial decisions based on philosophical assertions made by biblical scholars at that time...during this intercourse (for the lack of better word to use) it was and is believed that the discussions were in the midst of the Holy Spirit....they needed to have a cohesive theology so that future pronouncement of faith should first withstand biblical scrutiny....it will be absurd to include gospels written by other authors that shows the child Jesus vengeful when He preaches eternal mercy....

[akosimetalmouth]

Yes. The bible has already been compromised.

[buster14344]

Yes noong unang panahon, meron nang committee na humahawak sa bible. Parang Vatican today. Sila ang nagsasabi kung ano lang ipa-publish sa bible at kung ano ang rejected.

[beaverjohn2006]

nang dahil kay constantine. ang lahat, then may iba pang publish sila thomas at peter. na hindi naidagdag sa original bible dahil tinago ng mga monk noon, nakita nila ang last scroll ni peter sa kabaong ng monk...

yung revelation sa bible kulang pa yun may secrets pa dun revelation ni thomas.

[mocker]

  Maniwala kayo sa mga theorya nila.... Ako kahit mababaw lang ang nalalaman ko sa spiritual na bagay basta ang sa tingi ko kahit ano at ano paman ang ma-youtube, mabalita ng media naniniwala ako sa DIOS at c Jesus Christ ay anak ng DIOS ganun pa man sia ay DIOS... "Blessed who trust in what he/she does not see.."

[dorodexplorer]

watch it guys, very informative... lost gospels na sinunog ni constatine...

actually  si constantine nag-invent ng pagka dios ni cristo sa nicea 325 A.D.

ayon sa lost gospel pinatunayan na si cristo ay anak lamang ng dios... not a god the son....

Disagree ako dito... Sa bible mismo mababasa na si Cristo ay Dios na nagkatawang tao... Wala naman kinalaman si constantine sa pagkasulat ng biblia.... And besides... Ang anak ng tao ay tao... Ang anak ng kalabaw ay kalabaw.... Ang Anak ng Dios ay Dios din....

Madami talata sa bible na magpapatunay na hindi tao lamang si Cristo....

[aeon14zyx]

Read your bible and pray everyday.

[wildgang_10]

watch it guys, very informative... lost gospels na sinunog ni constatine...

actually  si constantine nag-invent ng pagka dios ni cristo sa nicea 325 A.D.

ayon sa lost gospel pinatunayan na si cristo ay anak lamang ng dios... not a god the son....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgAKhdbzfNg[/youtube]

Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. “… you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence.

[randombeats]

brother beaverjohn, sasagutin mo ba yung questions nila? I know you can..kaso this will be another long thread of religious debate, exciting

[beaverjohn2006]

brother beaverjohn, sasagutin mo ba yung questions nila? I know you can..kaso this will be another long thread of religious debate, exciting

nasagot na yan sa pmamagitan nitong source.... backread ka muna spies....

http://readmeiglesianicristo.blogspot.com   <---- Click here

[d_sinner78]

watch it guys, very informative... lost gospels na sinunog ni constatine...

actually  si constantine nag-invent ng pagka dios ni cristo sa nicea 325 A.D.

ayon sa lost gospel pinatunayan na si cristo ay anak lamang ng dios... not a god the son....

Contrary to that, hindi inimbento ni Constantine ang pagka-Diyos ni Kristo. Katulad ng sinabi sa video, pinulong nya yung mga pinuno ng mga kristiyano nung panahon na yon e para i-consolidate and beliefs ng mga kristiyano. There is no proof na siya ang nagdikta ng resulta. In fact, although malaki ang impluwensya nya sa mga kristiyanismo, ni hindi nga siya nagpa-convert until nung mamamatay na siya.

Mga ilang years after namatay si Kristo, nagkaroon ng 'Great Prosecution' against christians. As a result, nagkalat-kalat sila, karamihan e palihim lang kung magkita. Dahil dito, maraming grupo ng kristyano na sa mahabang panahon e walang contact sa kapwa kristyano, nagkaroon ng kanya-kanyang "version". Binuo yung Council para i-unify ang kristyanismo bilang isang relihiyon.

Walang pagdududa ang mga kristiyano ng panahon na yun sa pagka-Diyos ni Kristo. Contrary sa paniniwala ng ilan, ang pinagtalunan sa Council of Nicea e kung magkapantay ba ng level si "God the Father" at si "God the Son". In the end, dineklarang pantay sila, pero para dun sa mga tutol, "God the Son" pa rin si Kristo, kahit first runner up lang siya kay "God the Father".

Politically-motivated ba si Constantine? Siguro oo, pero ano naman ang magiging benefit sa kanya kung nanalo ung side na pantay si "God the Father" at "God the Son"? Kung susuriin natin ang video, wala rin naman sinabing ganun. Ang goal nya lang e unification.

So, bakit hindi kasama sa christian bible ang mga nabanggit na 'lost gospels'? Hindi kasama sa christian bible ang mga gospel na yan dahil kontra sila sa 'Nicene Creed' or 'Apostle's Creed' na siyang basic na paniniwala ng nakararaming early christians.

So, tama ba o mali yung sinasabi ng 'lost gospels'? Aba, malay ko. Wala naman ako dun nung nabubuhay pa si Kristo.

Ilagay natin sa konteksto ngayon. Dun sa mga pinanganak after 1985, mabuti ba o masama si Apo Ferdie (Marcos)? Karamihan nagsasabi masama siya. Pero may ilan din nagsasabi na mahusay siyang presidente, ung asawa nya lang at mga crony ang masama.

Alin ba ang totoo? Most likely, ang dalawang pananaw na yan e parehong may mga puntong totoo at may mga puntong "e sabi ng lolo ko... ... ..., sinungaling ba lolo ko?"

At dahil dyan, napakadaling baluktutin ng kasaysayan depende sa gusto mong interpretasyon. Sabihin mo lang na "siguro...", "malamang...", etc., pero parehong side, pawang haka-haka lang yan. Naka-depende lang tayo sa kung ano ang naabutan nating 'nasusulat'.

In the end, malamang regardless kung aling version ang piliin nating paniwalaan, malalaman lang natin ang totoo pag namatay na tayo (assuming naniniwala tayo lahat sa life after death; pasintabi po sa mga atheist na hindi naniniwala sa kaluluwa).

[dorodexplorer]

Bakit kya pipipilit na tao si Cristo? Sa biblia kasi lahat ng TAO ay sinungaling.... Sinasabi rin sa biblia na si Cristo ay hindi nagsinungaling or nagkasala man.... Logic dictates, hindi talaga tao si Cristo...  Siya ay Dios na ngkatawang Tao.... Filipos 5:6...

[lingching]

Can you explain:

John 1:1-10
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.



Philippians 2:6-12

English Standard Version (ESV)
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[a] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



Sino naman nagsabi si CONSTANTINE ANG NAG DECLARA NA DIYOS SI HESUS EH DIYOS NAMAN TALAGA SI HESUS.

Beside disadvantage kay constantine na i-deklarang Diyos si Hesus kasi si Constantine mismo bilang emperor ng Roma ay dini-diyos ng mga Romano noon.

WAG MO NG KAMING LOKOHIN HINDI KAMI TANGA

Patunayan mo muna na si Felix Manalo ang huling sugo ng Diyos....

[lingching]

Masyado kasi kayo nagpapaniwala sa mga bulaang propeta kaya kahit anong source isasaksak ninyo.

Patunayan rin ninyo that you exist since the beginning of Christianity 1st, 2nd, 3rd century until now...hindi yung may susulpot tapos gagamitin ang Bibliya para isulong ang motibo niya...pweh!   

[d_sinner78]

Masyado kasi kayo nagpapaniwala sa mga bulaang propeta kaya kahit anong source isasaksak ninyo.

Patunayan rin ninyo that you exist since the beginning of Christianity 1st, 2nd, 3rd century until now...hindi yung may susulpot tapos gagamitin ang Bibliya para isulong ang motibo niya...pweh!   

Hindi ako sang-ayon sa pangungutya ng ibang relihiyon, pero curious din ako kung bakit ayaw tanggapin ng INC ang totoong roots nila. Regardless kung ano pa man ang gusto nilang itawag kay Ka Felix (hindi daw siya founder), malinaw naman na nabuo ang INC through his actions at malinaw rin na hindi naman siya pinanganak na INC.

[dorodexplorer]

Can you explain:

John 1:1-10
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.



Philippians 2:6-12

English Standard Version (ESV)
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[a] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



Sino naman nagsabi si CONSTANTINE ANG NAG DECLARA NA DIYOS SI HESUS EH DIYOS NAMAN TALAGA SI HESUS.

Beside disadvantage kay constantine na i-deklarang Diyos si Hesus kasi si Constantine mismo bilang emperor ng Roma ay dini-diyos ng mga Romano noon.

WAG MO NG KAMING LOKOHIN HINDI KAMI TANGA

Patunayan mo muna na si Felix Manalo ang huling sugo ng Diyos....

Pakilakihan po ang font size.... hindi yata nababasa ng mga iglesia ni manalo.....

[Twentiwan]

Okay try natin ipaliwanag yang John 1:1,2 na yan.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
- Ang "WORD" na binabanggit dito ay tumutukoy kay Jesus.

- "And the Word (Jesus) was with God", so dito  walang sinasabi na Diyos si Jesus, instead sinabi lang na kasama sya ng Diyos.

- "And the Word (Jesus) was God", eto dito ngayon binanggit na Diyos si Jesus.

John 1:2 -  He was in the beginning with God.
- Parang yung una lang 'to. Walang sinasabi na Diyos si Jesus, instead sinasabi lang ulet na kasama sya ng Diyos.

Oo naniniwala ako na Diyos din si Jesus, pero hindi sya ang KATAAS-TAASANG Diyos. Magkaiba ang Mighty God sa Almighty God, magkaiba ang High sa Most High. Binase ko yan sa nakasulat sa Luke 1:30-32 eto yung sabi oh.

"30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High;"

So maliwanag na ANAK si Jesus ng Kataas-taasang  Diyos, at hindi si Jesus mismo ang kataas-taasang Diyos.


Punta tayo sa John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.
- Ang tanung, nang sabihin ni Jesus yan, ang tinutukoy nya kaya ay talagang physically one sila ng Ama? Kung Oo ang sagot nyo? Pano nyo ngayon ipapaliwanang yung sinasabi sa Hebrews 10:12 "But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God." Binanggit dyan na si Jesus (this man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually) ay umupo sa kanan ng Diyos. Ibig sabihin dalawang persona yan. So maliwanag na hindi literal na physically one yung binabanggit ni Jesus sa John 10:30.

[beaverjohn2006]

Can you explain:

John 1:1-10
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.



Philippians 2:6-12

English Standard Version (ESV)
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[a] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



Sino naman nagsabi si CONSTANTINE ANG NAG DECLARA NA DIYOS SI HESUS EH DIYOS NAMAN TALAGA SI HESUS.

Beside disadvantage kay constantine na i-deklarang Diyos si Hesus kasi si Constantine mismo bilang emperor ng Roma ay dini-diyos ng mga Romano noon.

WAG MO NG KAMING LOKOHIN HINDI KAMI TANGA

Patunayan mo muna na si Felix Manalo ang huling sugo ng Diyos....

Gusto mo patunayan ko na sugo? KAKATAMAD KASI MAGPOST KUNG IISKIP MO LANG ANG IPOPOST KO.... puro kalang sariling opinyon.

hahamunin kita magbigay ka ng MALIWANAG NA TALATA NA DIYOS SI CRISTO at Patutunayan ko na tao siya, ANAK ng DIYOS na ginawang panginoon, tagapagligtas, tagapamagitan.

wag yung puro ka dakdak wala namang maliwanag na basehan.

[beaverjohn2006]

Okay try natin ipaliwanag yang John 1:1,2 na yan.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
- Ang "WORD" na binabanggit dito ay tumutukoy kay Jesus.

- "And the Word (Jesus) was with God", so dito  walang sinasabi na Diyos si Jesus, instead sinabi lang na kasama sya ng Diyos.

- "And the Word (Jesus) was God", eto dito ngayon binanggit na Diyos si Jesus.

John 1:2 -  He was in the beginning with God.
- Parang yung una lang 'to. Walang sinasabi na Diyos si Jesus, instead sinasabi lang ulet na kasama sya ng Diyos.

Oo naniniwala ako na Diyos din si Jesus, pero hindi sya ang KATAAS-TAASANG Diyos. Magkaiba ang Mighty God sa Almighty God, magkaiba ang High sa Most High. Binase ko yan sa nakasulat sa Luke 1:30-32 eto yung sabi oh.

"30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High;"

So maliwanag na ANAK si Jesus ng Kataas-taasang  Diyos, at hindi si Jesus mismo ang kataas-taasang Diyos.


Punta tayo sa John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.
- Ang tanung, nang sabihin ni Jesus yan, ang tinutukoy nya kaya ay talagang physically one sila ng Ama? Kung Oo ang sagot nyo? Pano nyo ngayon ipapaliwanang yung sinasabi sa Hebrews 10:12 "But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God." Binanggit dyan na si Jesus (this man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually) ay umupo sa kanan ng Diyos. Ibig sabihin dalawang persona yan. So maliwanag na hindi literal na physically one yung binabanggit ni Jesus sa John 10:30.

tama paliwanag mo sa una pero yung umupo siya sa kanan ng diyos hindi ibig sabihin diyos na siya o dalawang persona, may talata sa lumang tipan umupo si cristo sa kanan ng dioys bilang tao at hindi diyos...  iisa lang ang diyos.
si cristo ay panginoon... simpleng bagay lang yan....  mamaya bigay ko ang magandang paliwanag. naka mobile kasi ako eh...

[Twentiwan]

tama paliwanag mo sa una pero yung umupo siya sa kanan ng diyos hindi ibig sabihin diyos na siya o dalawang persona, may talata sa lumang tipan umupo si cristo sa kanan ng dioys bilang tao at hindi diyos...  iisa lang ang diyos.
si cristo ay panginoon... simpleng bagay lang yan....  mamaya bigay ko ang magandang paliwanag. naka mobile kasi ako eh...

Kala ko may paliwanag na. Wala pa din pala. Hintay hintay nalang muna siguro ako.

[beaverjohn2006]

Why jesus christ can't be GOD?

http://torch-of-salvation.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-jesus-christ-cant-be-god.html  <--- read here....

The truth that cannot be denied

By biblical standard, it would be heretical to believe that Christ is God. However, our denial of his alleged deity does not in any way tarnish our faith in his lofty position that God himself have bestowed on him (Matt. 28:18; 11:27). It should not be misconstrued that by denying the alleged divinity of Jesus Christ, it would tantamount to degrading him. On the contrary, the Iglesia Ni Cristo highly regards our Lord Jesus Christ based on the lucid biblical teachings about his attributes and qualities: He is the Son of God (Matt. 3:17),our Lord (Acts 2:36) and our Savior (Acts 5:31). He is our only Mediator to God (I Tim. 2:5) and the only way to the Father (John 14:5). We worship him since it is God’s will that all should worship him (Phil. 2:9-11) and we believe that he is the head of the Church (Eph. 1:22) because God placed all things under his feet (Eph. 1:22).

 Never did he nor his apostles introduce him as God!  NOW READ THESE:

I Tim. 2:5  “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and Men, the Man Christ Jesus"

The Bible tells us that Jesus is a Man mediating between God and Men!   And Jesus proclaimed who is the ONLY TRUE GOD:

John 17:1-3 “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, "Father, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. For you gave him authority over all people, so that he might give eternal life to all those you gave him.  AND ETERNAL LIFE MEANS TO KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you sent.  [GNB]

This was the scene when Jesus prayed to God, he said  “TO KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD” Which refers to the FATHER.  He didn't say: “TO KNOW YOU AND ME AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD” or  “TO KNOW ME, THE ONLY TRUE GOD”. Clearly there is no verse in the whole Bible that says Jesus is another God.

And what should be our recognition of Jesus?  As he said:  “TO KNOW JESUS CHRIST, WHOM YOU SENT”, meaning we should recognize him not as God but as the one sent by God - as a messenger of God:

John 17:21 “I pray that they may all be one. Father! May they be in us, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they be one, SO THAT THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE THAT YOU SENT ME.” [GNB]

The undeniable truth,  THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND NO ONE ELSE….