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Charter Change
« on: April 22, 2009, 02:41:20 am »
Nograles filed House Resolution 1109 – "A resolution calling upon members of Congress to convene for the purpose of considering proposals to amend or revise the Constitution, upon a vote of three-fourths of all the members of Congress" – on Wednesday morning amid widespread opposition to Charter change (Cha-cha).



Villafuerte reiterated that HR 1109 was meant to create a justiciable controversy that would compel the Supreme Court to rule once and for all whether Congress should vote jointly or separately on amendments, and not to introduce specific changes to the Constitution.

Hindi ko alam kung tanga itong dalawang congressman na abogado o nagtatanga-tangahan lang. comments plz

Kahit first year sa law ay maiintindihan na dapat separate ang voting ng dalawang Chamber ng Commerse kaya nga bi-cameral eh

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20090420-200320/Coming-constitutional-issues
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 03:04:12 am »
I thought the Supreme Court already made a ruling regarding the mentioned interpretations.
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 07:46:20 am »
utang na loob! tama na yang cha cha! OVERDUE na po si gloria!
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 07:53:09 am »
Quote from: anthony on April 22, 2009, 07:46:20 am
utang na loob! tama na yang cha cha! OVERDUE na po si gloria!

I think wala naman yung extension of term ni PGMA sa ChaCha! ???


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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 08:03:57 am »
actually silent yung constitution natin if voting jointly or separately sa mode of amendment ng constitution natin sa ganyan, there are other provisions na clear ang constitution natin kung jointly or separately yung voting. Members of the COnsitutional COnvention noong 1987 ang nag sasabi na dapat daw separately kasi yun daw ang intention nila.

Sabi naman ng isang panig, since silent ang constitution natin about it, we cannot impose a more stringent condition kasi requiring a stricter requirement na di naman provided ng law eh against sa rules of interpretation or statutory construction. Obviously mas mahirap makuha ang 3/4 ng senate kaysa sa 3/4 ng kabuuan ng both houses of congress.

Di ako sure, pero ang alam ko di pa naman na dedesisyonan ng Supreme Court yan kasi wala pa naman nag elevate ng COnstitutional Issue na yan sa SC at panay opinion lang naman ng ibang legal luminaries ang naririnig natin.

saka kung ma eextend man ang term ni GMA, hindi sya actually extension, ang mangyayari eh change ng system of Government to parliamentary, meaning, gaya sa UK, ang pipili ng magiging prime minster natin eh yugn mga congressman natin, na tayo ang nag lagay sa kanila sa pwesto at sila ang pinili natin.
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 09:39:26 pm »
for me, kung wala nakalagay sa balak nilang cha-cha ang extension of service ng mga present officials, why not go for it.
in revising the constitution, certain parts (articles) can be revised and out-dated law can be re-assessed to fit the present situations. masyado na matagal ang back-bone ng laws and regulations ng pilipinas, the are crimes (although mejo small (patty) crimes lang sila ay may fine lang na 150 pesos, so yung mga violators ok lang sa kanila kasi kaya naman nila bayaran ang fines to prevent themselves from being imprisoned.

just my 1 cent of thought. . .
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 09:56:45 pm »
Do what they have to do to change the system to Parliamentary+Federalism system. It will maximize region resources which will bring development and, ultimately, peace in Mindanao.

I took most of what I know in the subject from an interview of Sen Escudero, Sen Zubiri and Mike Defensor back when they were still in the lower house. So, I think they will support the changes they previously suggested.
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 12:10:53 am »
very informed ung comments ng mga kaespiya natin regarding sa cha cha, at very objective sila!!!

for me, unfounded yung takot ng mga kulang sa information o ung mga nadadala ng disinformation campaign ng kung sinong mga tao ung about sa cha cha, specifically regarding the issue on term extension, we must know and never forget na taong bayan ang mag-raratify ng mga panukalang pagbabago through a plebiscite or referendum, kaya kung may balak na ganun at di ntin gusto, eh di wag natin iratify di ba?

this is unlike with what happened in our 1986 constitution, na si cory lng ang namili ng mga taong gagawa ng consti natin. imagine lino brocka creating bills? i dont have anything bad to say about brocka's ability to create films, but as a constitutionalist, i think i should reserve doubts on his expertise in that field.

and obviously, the 1986 constitution is very short-sighted and anti-marcos, regrettably resulting in the destruction and negligence of some useful marcos-era infrastructures, making the country suffer from the whip-lash effect of the dictatorial regime.

kelangan po ntin maging objective, un lamang po and peace out!
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 10:11:51 am »
hmmm I respect the views of our ka-espiya but remember we must look the history and patterns of the action of this administration. Remember the simultaneous "baranggay assembly" at the MOA entered between the GRP & MILF? mga back door yan for charter change. Though I have no problem kung ma-extend term ni PGMA coz most of my friends and ninongs are in her administration.
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 10:56:24 am »
for me, changing the constitution at this point and time will just bring/ create chaos, chaos that might/ will force gma to declare another martial law... (un yata gusto nya... para maextend ung term nya.. hehehe)


we can change the constitution after the election, 3 - 4 years is a lot time in changing the constitution,  (masma pag aaralan db?) and it will take effect after the next2 presidential election which is 2016.



Parliamentary govt is good, congress can change the prime minister anytime... but remember,we pilipinos dont want a president that we did not vote for.
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 05:25:12 am »
Quote from: Popoyyy on April 22, 2009, 08:03:57 am
actually silent yung constitution natin if voting jointly or separately sa mode of amendment ng constitution natin sa ganyan, there are other provisions na clear ang constitution natin kung jointly or separately yung voting. Members of the COnsitutional COnvention noong 1987 ang nag sasabi na dapat daw separately kasi yun daw ang intention nila.

Sabi naman ng isang panig, since silent ang constitution natin about it, we cannot impose a more stringent condition kasi requiring a stricter requirement na di naman provided ng law eh against sa rules of interpretation or statutory construction. Obviously mas mahirap makuha ang 3/4 ng senate kaysa sa 3/4 ng kabuuan ng both houses of congress.

Di ako sure, pero ang alam ko di pa naman na dedesisyonan ng Supreme Court yan kasi wala pa naman nag elevate ng COnstitutional Issue na yan sa SC at panay opinion lang naman ng ibang legal luminaries ang naririnig natin.

saka kung ma eextend man ang term ni GMA, hindi sya actually extension, ang mangyayari eh change ng system of Government to parliamentary, meaning, gaya sa UK, ang pipili ng magiging prime minster natin eh yugn mga congressman natin, na tayo ang nag lagay sa kanila sa pwesto at sila ang pinili natin.

+1 sa post na to ^_^ sir are you a lawyer???
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 08:10:32 am »
bro. balbali very nice topic but i think not chamber of commerce it is a legislative chamber.
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 09:04:57 am »
Bakit nga di tayu magpalit ng form of Government ...ang form of Goverment naman natin is actually hindi akma sa pilipinas pilit na iganagaya sa AMERIKA eh sa amerika naman may REPUBLICAN at DEMOCRAT na kayang sumuporta sa malaking election unlike dito sa atin halos kelangang may malaki kang pera at resources para lamang mapalaban as president. From what i knew sa parliamentary govt. we will just elect an assembylman in our district n lang .. walang senador walang presidente at vice president. saka na lang mamimili ang mga assemblyman kung sino gusto nila maging prime minister which is manggaling din sa mga assemblyman natin...come to think of it..
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2009, 10:41:00 pm »
Bakit nga di tayu magpalit ng form of Government ...ang form of Goverment naman natin is actually hindi akma sa pilipinas pilit na iganagaya sa AMERIKA eh sa amerika naman may REPUBLICAN at DEMOCRAT na kayang sumuporta sa malaking election unlike dito sa atin halos kelangang may malaki kang pera at resources para lamang mapalaban as president. From what i knew sa parliamentary govt. we will just elect an assembylman in our district n lang .. walang senador walang presidente at vice president. saka na lang mamimili ang mga assemblyman kung sino gusto nila maging prime minister which is manggaling din sa mga assemblyman natin...come to think of it..

Bro. apdeguzman you migth be rigth but come to think of it the parliament form of govt. is not suited to the way of our culture because of our multi ethnicity and added to the our negative attitude. for you to know the prime minister is only the head of the govt, and yet you have still the president or a king or a queen as a head of state. if the rule will come only to one family.The abvious of power will be more at risk and all arampant corruption, have forget the MARCOS era that time we are in aparliamentary form of govt. where abvious and corruption are rampant. "AND DO NOT FORGET THAT WE ARE FILIPINO PEOPLE DYING FOR DEMOCRACY"!!....
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2009, 11:26:46 pm »
bakit nga tayo magpapalit ng goverment dapat federal type democracy wherein a state have their own law.

like sa US sa california legal ang porn or saan kasing state na walang permit humawak ng gun

or sa Japan na kapag sinabing lugar na ganito e may expertise sila
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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2009, 02:23:43 am »
Quote from: Popoyyy on April 22, 2009, 08:03:57 am
actually silent yung constitution natin if voting jointly or separately sa mode of amendment ng constitution natin sa ganyan, there are other provisions na clear ang constitution natin kung jointly or separately yung voting. Members of the COnsitutional COnvention noong 1987 ang nag sasabi na dapat daw separately kasi yun daw ang intention nila.

Sabi naman ng isang panig, since silent ang constitution natin about it, we cannot impose a more stringent condition kasi requiring a stricter requirement na di naman provided ng law eh against sa rules of interpretation or statutory construction. Obviously mas mahirap makuha ang 3/4 ng senate kaysa sa 3/4 ng kabuuan ng both houses of congress.

Di ako sure, pero ang alam ko di pa naman na dedesisyonan ng Supreme Court yan kasi wala pa naman nag elevate ng COnstitutional Issue na yan sa SC at panay opinion lang naman ng ibang legal luminaries ang naririnig natin.

saka kung ma eextend man ang term ni GMA, hindi sya actually extension, ang mangyayari eh change ng system of Government to parliamentary, meaning, gaya sa UK, ang pipili ng magiging prime minster natin eh yugn mga congressman natin, na tayo ang nag lagay sa kanila sa pwesto at sila ang pinili natin.

Indeed, tama ka senyor.  Sa statutory construction eh talaga naman silent ang present constitution if whether magkasama ang lower house at upper house voting as one or whether we reckon 75% of lower house and 75% of the senate voting separately.  Hindi natin pwedeng lagyan or dagdagan ng kahulugan ang literal na pagkakasulat ng pangungusap na yun sa saligang batas.  I guess, omission yun ng mga tao na pinili ni Cory na gawin ang Constitution nuon dahil karamihan naman sa mga andun eh hindi naman mga abugado or mambabatas. Oversight lang yun on their part at ayaw nila aminin ang kanilang pagkakamali sa pagkakasulat ng pangungusap na yun.

Even if they vote separately, 75% of the senate is much less than 75% of the total number of members of the lower house.  Three fourths or 75% of the senate is only 18 members.  If you go strictly with the literal interpretation of that sentence,  talo sa dami ng boto ang senado.  If Nograles convenes the Lower House sa araw ng Sona to vote on that, it will definitely be a constitutional issue.  Pag pinagsama mo ang total members of both the lower house and the senate, 75% of that number can indeed push for the constitutional change if we are to read that sentence in the constitution.

Statemanship na lang on the part of those members of Congress na ipagpaliban na lamang ang usapin na yan at hayaan na ang susunod na Congreso upang gumawa ng hakbang tungo sa pagbabago ng saligang batas. Dapat eh delikadesa na lang on their part not to yearn for term extension.  On our part, let us just take down the names of those members wanting to extend their term at let us just vote them out of office come election time.




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Re: Charter Change
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2009, 10:51:56 pm »
I think the lower house suspend the rules of parliamentary procedures to push the HR 1109.
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