Topic: DSL router(4) vs 8-24 port switch... whats the difference in splitting internet

[MasterChief63]

can anyone explain to me whats the difference in using a DSL router(wired) and a 8/16/24 port HUB/Switch coz were planning on expanding our internet/network connection into 10 houses here in our compound, obviously the HUB has mor ports to plug in more PCs, but why do pc stores still recommend using a router

[bodieph]

routers have added security protocols compared to a hub switch. hub switches merely allocates the connection. a router also does the same thing but it also provides added security.

also pag may router ka, pwede na dun dadaan ang internet connection. no more need of a gateway pc since yung router na ang magiging gateway

[madcarabao]

you mean sir bod is pag hub, kelangan nakaon ung main computer to share the internet dba? tapos oag naka router, pwedeng magamit ang ibang pc basta ung router ang naka on?

[bodieph]

yes. as long as yung router ang gateway mo. kung ang setup mo is hindi yung router ang gateway then you still need the main computer to be on at all times

pag sa bahay lang yan, a router would be good. though pag internet cafe, it would be better if you use switch hubs. mapapamahal ka lang pag magrouter ka since you need the gateway to be one of the pc's so you can monitor the other pc's. so more or less useless ang router, gagamitin mo lang sya as switch hub

[madcarabao]

ic.. now i get it. ty for that info sir bod.

[MasterChief63]

is the connection stability and stregnth affected by either method, i mean is one better thn the other, as i understand it DSL router will make the connection equal between all 4(since it has 4 ports) unlike hubs that work like ur cable tv dsl, the stability,strangth and clarity reduces as more connect

[john]

kahit naman po hub lang di na kailangan ang gateway pc. pwede mo iconfigure yung mga pc na connect directly to the internet.

[the_lonely_sperm]

Additional info lang po.  Wala ka talagang choice bossing.  If gamit nyo isang DSL connection lang for the whole compound, you will use both DSL router AND switch.  Ang router kasi pang-connect ng dalawang "segments" which in this case is ang internet side tsaka yung compound network nyo na side.  Yung switch naman, is connection lang between local segments, which in this case is yung connections nyo sa PC.  Yung switch ginagamit to form a local area network.

Siguro yung tinutukoy nyo is yung packaged router/switch (otherwise known as a multi-port router).  Dalawang function tong device na to.  Router at the same time switch.  Mas mahal lang talaga to. So, don't bother.   DSL Router at switch combination na lang gamitin mo.

Depende sa DSL package nyo if allowed yung NAT'ting (Network Address Translation) at depende din sa capability ng DSL router nyo pero usually (i mean yung basic packages dito sa amin sa Cagayan de Oro) hindi pwede yung multiple PCs.  Dapat kasi, yung DSL router is also some sort of a DHCP server.  Nagbibigay sya ng IP addresses sa client PCs (yung PC na naka-connect sa kanya).  Set mo lang "ACQUIRE IP ADDRESSES AUTOMATICALLY" sa Windows machines nyo, connected ka na sa internet.  Again, depende sa arrangement sa Internet provider and depende sa capability ng DSL router.

If serious kayo sa security, bumili ka ng 486 or pentium/pentium2 na surplus computer (at least 600MB harddisk, 64MB memory at may dalawang network card) at mag install ka ng SMOOTHWALL Linux. Very easy yung configuration.  Lay-out ng network mo:

Internet --> DSL router ---> Smoothwall Linux -----> switch ---->computers

If wala ka alam tungkol Linux, pwede na yung Internet Connection Sharing ng Windows 98/XP.  Yung nga lang, mas mahina ang security.

[bodieph]

dalawang klase ang hub.. yung ordinary hub (lumang hub) and the newer hub switch. pag ordinary hub lang yan, automatic hati yung speed mo. so kung example 256 yung speed ng connection mo and dalwang computer ang gumagamit, 128 lang ang max na makuha ang bawat pc. while pag hub switch yan, each pc can go up to 256, ang switch na bahala mag allocate ng speed sa both pc

also, its not true that DSL routers with 4 port switches are more expensive than a plain DSL router and a switch. mura na ang mga DSL router ngayon. and most DSL routers these days already have a standard 4 port switch. yan na ang norm ngayon. example, a netgear 54 wireless g router with 4 port switch as well as firewall security will only cost around 3000 (kung plain router w/ 4 port switch lang ang murang klase like edimax is only around 2000)

i think the thread starter has already made it clear that his DSL router comes with 4 ports. also, with regards to using multiple pc's, there is no problem there, you can set it up with the use of a DSL router (though it may mean that you have to provide the DSL router yourself) unless there is an explicit notification from your ISP that you cannot use more than 1 pc

if we are talking about the standard routers that ISP's give, mostly these are not the standard routers being sold commercially these days. these are just the old type DSL router that doesnt provide a login, no added security, no firewall, no port forwarding, etc.

why? since lugi sila pag yun ang iprovide nila. their concept kasi is like this, their so called speed daw is designed for one user lang. if you want to use two or more computers, dapat daw dun ka sa higher na plan (i.e. bigger earnings for them) kasi daw pag dalawa ang gamitin mong pc, hati daw yung speed mo (which is partially true but not neccesarily all the time if you are using a switch)