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Headlines Pacquiao a one-dimensional amateur - Floyd Jr.
By Abac Cordero (The Philippine Star) Updated March 17, 2010 12:00 AM
Floyd Mayweather Jr.: “I think Pacquiao gave the fans a boring fight..."
HOLLYWOOD – Floyd Mayweather Jr. was probably sitting comfortably in his Las Vegas mansion watching Manny Pacquiao battle – or, to put it better, batter – Joshua Clottey for 12 rounds last Saturday in Dallas.
Mayweather liked what he saw in the sense that Pacquiao, according to the ex-pound-for-pound champion, was exposed on that cold night as being a “one-dimensional fighter†who he also described as “an amateur.â€ÂÂ
In an article that just came out of cagereport.com, Mayweather, hot on a comeback trail and out to regain the lofty title he once held, mentioned things that might soon force Pacquiao to fight him under any condition.
“Personally, I think Pacquiao got exposed in that fight for being one-dimensional,†he said.
“You can have all (the) offense ability in the world but with no defense you’re not going to last long against a good counter puncher such as myself. Look at the way Clottey was getting through, each time he threw something it landed.â€ÂÂ
He may be right that Clottey, despite spending most of the time covering up, did land some beautiful punches that caught Pacquiao and his trainer Freddie Roach by surprise, and that the Ghanaian would have done better if only he threw more punches.
Mayweather said despite the low volume of punches Pacquiao took from Clottey, the 31-year-old Filipino welterweight champion walked out of the Cowboys Stadium bearing signs of a tough fight, with some swelling and welts under his right eye.
“Then at the end Pacquiao was all busted up. When’s the last time you’ve seen my face all messed up like that? That’s the difference between an amateur and a true pound-for-pound boxer,†he said.
“I think Pacquiao gave the fans a boring fight. He was punching his arms for all 12 rounds. At least when you watch Floyd Mayweather you know you’ll be seeing non-stop action for 30 minutes straight and that’s what you’ll see on May 1st,†the undefeated fighter said.
Mayweather said the 51,000 fans who came to watch “The Event†in Dallas will see the difference when he gets to face World Boxing Association welterweight champion Shane Mosley on May 1 at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas.
He said the people will have to judge for themselves.
“The attendance numbers ain’t nothing compared to what I have drawn in the past or what I would have drawn if that was me in the ring that night, everybody knows that. Half those seats were empty in the back and people say Pacquiao is a draw?â€ÂÂ
Mayweather, despite a long layoff which he ended with a knockout win over Juan Manuel Marquez last September, now considers himself as the biggest draw, and will again prove that once he gets into the ring with Pacquiao.
The fight almost happened but disagreements over the conduct of drug testing derailed the fight that the whole world wants to see. Sooner or later tough, it should happen simply because it’s too big to be ignored and shelved.
“Let’s not forget who generated a revenue of $2.5 million in one fight alone. The only reason why he’s popular is because he’s an ethnic minority and from the Philippines so it’s something special. If he was from Africa he would be just another boxer,†he said.
Mayweather also justified his demand for Olympic-style drug-testing.
“The thing is I am just looking out for the good of the sport, everyone should compete on a fair level but he (Pacquiao) doesn’t want that. I’m not going to say what he is or isn’t on but lets just say that HGH is one hell of a drug. All roads lead to Floyd Mayweather, we all know that,†he said.
“If he wants to fight me, he doesn’t have to look far. Just look for the biggest mansion in Vegas and that’s me. The matter of the fact is I put the offer on the table. Once I get Mosley out of the way then we’ll see what Pacquiao has to say. Until then I don’t want to hear about him.â€ÂÂ
When everything has been said and done, Mayweather has no choice but to beat Mosley - if he can. And then he can call out Pacquiao’s name.
And the fight might just take place.
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all talk na naman si gayweather. hahaha. labanan na lang niya si manny para magka-alaman na
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yabang mo Floyd Mayweather...hayzzz smoking::
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oo nga, puro paninira, puro akusa, puro bintang. labanan na lang nya, then kapag natalo nya, saka na lang sya mag trash talk para naman may basehan.
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Of course, you guys didn't know Pacquiao also called Mayweather's style boring, that his fights were hand picked, scared fighter, indirectly called Mayweather's style killing the Sport, criticized Mayweather's lifestyle. Now, why am I telling that to you? Because the same judgment you're passing to PBF can be also said to Manny.
For retards: "Sigaw ka ng sigaw na pangit yung pagmumukha ng tao, pero pangit din naman mukha ng anak mo."
Don't be an ignorant. Inform yourself. Read.
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kaw na si boy knowledge ^_^...
at si boy outdoor ^_^
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wag na kayo nagko comment, 123kid123 lang ang nakaka alam lahat...
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hehehehe im just amused by Floyd as much as i am amused by a certain someone, kung ano ano na sinasabi para lang di mapansin laffman::
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@123kid123
kung nagbabasa ka asan ang source mo para madefend mo yang statement mo
oo may point ka pero kumpara mo naman sa trashtalk ng mga mayweather lol
trashtalk na duwag pa. ayaw makipag laban e. makikita mo naman eh. kung gusto may paraan pag ayaw may dahilan
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bka kamaganak nya si PBF??? smoking:: smoking:: smoking::
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Nakakatawa talaga si Gayweather... kung boring yung laban ni Pacquiao, pano pa yung mga laban nya? Mas magaling mag counter punch sa kanya si Clottey at mas malakas suntok ni Cotto, parehong kinaya ni Pac, so saan na sya pupulutin nyan?
nakakatuwa etong sinabi ni Gayweather
“I think Pacquiao gave the fans a boring fight. He was punching his arms for all 12 rounds. At least when you watch Floyd Mayweather you know you’ll be seeing non-stop action for 30 minutes straight and that’s what you’ll see on May 1st,†the undefeated fighter said.
The fight was boring but it was Clottey who made it that way, though the same cannot be said for him since he makes the fights boring... Yes, non-stop running for 30 mins...
Hayaan nyo na si 123kid, president ng fans club ni Gayweather yan... laffman::
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Hindi ko na ma take si Mayweather... Sobra sobra na.. sinalo lahat ng kayabangan sa mundo..
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pac learned to box when he was taken in by roach. when i say box he learned boxing, not just brawling. footwork was improved also he now uses fades. his right hand is still not as potent as his left but its going there. remember "manila ice"?
if you look at how pac fights he is in a way very one dimensional. he just throws punches in bunches, he does not counter punch alot and he seldom punches during back pedalling. except for the morales fight where he was able to deck EM while on the retreat.
based on the clottey fight pac will have an extremely hard time beating pbf. same as clot pbf has a very good D add that to his quick offense. yes pbf might be as fast as pac!
pacs biggest problem with pbf is how will he land punches? he cant land punches on clottey. only way for him to land a punch is when pbf is on the offense. ibig sabihin sa sabayan lang sya makakatama, kasi pag nag guard si pbf sarado talaga tulad kay clottey.
thing is pbf is as fast as pac so pag sabayan baka malamog din si pac. eg, jmm pac pag sumasabay si jmm kay pac natatamaan din si pac diba. heck he almost lost to jmm and to many jmm was leading on the scorecards.
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@123kid123
kung nagbabasa ka asan ang source mo para madefend mo yang statement mo
oo may point ka pero kumpara mo naman sa trashtalk ng mga mayweather lol
trashtalk na duwag pa. ayaw makipag laban e. makikita mo naman eh. kung gusto may paraan pag ayaw may dahilan
DUMB DUMB DUMB
Hindi ba pwedeng pumayag si Pacquiao sa blood test? Kung gusto may paraan pag ayaw may dahilan.
Lintek na utak yan ang hina.
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Ask lang sir 123 bakit dito parang ang dami nya sinabi pero nung live interview ayaw nya sumagot? May dahilan po kaya nito?
Kasi po diba sabi nyo po uhmm.. ang pagusapan po muna eh yung laban nila ni mosley? Eh bakit ngayon malakas loob nya babuyin ung name ni Pac? Kasi po ba article interview po ba kaya madami sya pasaring sa MP side sir? O baka di sya makaisip ng mga salitang bibitawan kaya iwas sya pag Live interview.
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I think nagpapalakas lang ng loob si Gaywhatever na yan! He can't win over MP. kitang kita naman sa ginawa ni Clotot, kulang na lang magtago sa saya ng lola nya, lalo na kaya yung bading na yun baka tumakbo lang ng tumakbo yun toast::
OT:
Hinay-hinay lang guys sa mga salitang binibitawan.
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DUMB DUMB DUMB
Hindi ba pwedeng pumayag si Pacquiao sa blood test? Kung gusto may paraan pag ayaw may dahilan.
Lintek na utak yan ang hina.
kaw na ren ang malakas ang utak..
si boy knowledge..
si boy outdoor...
kaw naren si Gayweather puro trashtalk wala naman naitulong sa espiya
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fight before talking gayweather smoking::
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On the bright side, nasabi niya na rin pangalan ni Manny sa wakas. ::lmao
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On the bright side, nasabi niya na rin pangalan ni Manny sa wakas. ::lmao
Gayweather and 123kid: can't read my poker face ::pampam
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kahit ano pa sabihin ni mayweather at mga tagapagtangol nya, alam ng mudo takot syang kalabanin si pac, dahil gusto i maintain ang status nyang undefeated, in short alam nya matatalo sya, masakit lang tanggapin sa status nya.
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“Personally, I think Pacquiao got exposed in that fight for being one-dimensional,†he said.
“You can have all (the) offense ability in the world but with no defense you’re not going to last long against a good counter puncher such as myself. Look at the way Clottey was getting through, each time he threw something it landed.â€ÂÂ
sa tingen ko tama to, may problema talaga si pacquiao sa magagaling na counterpuncher kung papanuodin nyo yun laban nila ni huling laban nila ni marquez bugbog si pacman sa mga counter pagtapos nga ng fight di makapagsabi ng panalo yung mga commentator kasi sobra dikit ng laban (mas ok panuodin yung mga laban ni pacquiao sa solar sports kasi yung mga commentator mga kano di bias tulad ng sa GMA na mga pinoy na obvious na papanig kay pacquiao), minsan lang bumitaw ng suntok si clottey pero tumatama nagkataon lang na may pagkaduwag, marquez good counterpuncher di nya na knockdown(nag mukhang amateur to ng kinalaban ni mayweather), clottey all defense di nya din na knockdown, pag pinagsama mo yang dalawa mayweather ang labas nyan, may talo talaga si pacman dito kahit ano pang sabihin nating mga pinoy na duwag to, magaling at matalino na boxer ito................. toast::
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you can truly say in that fight na one dimensional fighter si PAC.... WHY? He was fighting a one dimensional boxer.
ALL DEFENSE si Clottey di ba? utak talaga naman ni CHICKEN FLOYD oo...
and yes sinabi ng Pacquiao camp na boring si Floyd and in my point of view mas boring pa rin ang mga laban ni Mayweather.
@ sa yo MR KNOW IT ALL(123kid)...
bakit di mo na lang i share ang mga nabasa mo para mainform naman mga KAESPIYA... di yung sinasabihan mo pang MAHINA ANG UTAK ng KASAMBAHAY MO...
para kang inahin putak ng putak.. siguro mukha kang libro...
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ever since ganyan yan baklang 123kid nayan... i mean gayweather pala..
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sa tingen ko tama to, may problema talaga si pacquiao sa magagaling na counterpuncher kung papanuodin nyo yun laban nila ni huling laban nila ni marquez bugbog si pacman sa mga counter pagtapos nga ng fight di makapagsabi ng panalo yung mga commentator kasi sobra dikit ng laban (mas ok panuodin yung mga laban ni pacquiao sa solar sports kasi yung mga commentator mga kano di bias tulad ng sa GMA na mga pinoy na obvious na papanig kay pacquiao), minsan lang bumitaw ng suntok si clottey pero tumatama nagkataon lang na may pagkaduwag, marquez good counterpuncher di nya na knockdown(nag mukhang amateur to ng kinalaban ni mayweather), clottey all defense di nya din na knockdown, pag pinagsama mo yang dalawa mayweather ang labas nyan, may talo talaga si pacman dito kahit ano pang sabihin nating mga pinoy na duwag to, magaling at matalino na boxer ito................. toast::
bro, sa unang laban ni Pac vs JMM, 3 times bumagsak si JMM
sa rematch 1 time bumagsak si JMM and isang beses muntik tumiklop ang tuhod and muntik ng sa Corner ni Pacman pumunta after the round.
toast::toast::
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add the fact na rin na when JMM vs PAC 2 happened, they moved up in their weight.
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pag maingay ang lata walang laman.
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hmm...pulot lang po sa youtube. pahayag ni roy jones jr. about sa nangyaring accusations ni mayweather kay pacquiao
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbU7CDW6gv4&feature=related[/youtube]
may mga point rin dito si RJJ di ba mga ka espiya?
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may tama di si mayweather.hirap si manny sa mga counter puncher kita mo ilang suntok lang binitawan ni clottey pero ung mukha ni manny may tama talaga.mahihirapan si manny sa style ni mayweather.napaka technical boxer ni mayweather.kaya mahirap talunin.pero kung ang pressure ng suntok sa kanya ay madami hirap din si mayweather..
ilang buwan na naman ito ang issue.lalo na pag nanalo si floyd..
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bro, sa unang laban ni Pac vs JMM, 3 times bumagsak si JMM
sa rematch 1 time bumagsak si JMM and isang beses muntik tumiklop ang tuhod and muntik ng sa Corner ni Pacman pumunta after the round.
toast::toast::
yun na nga ang problema nya eh bumagsak si marquez pero tumayo anong ginawa pagtapos binugbog si pacquiao (sa rematch muntik na din tumiklop ang tuhod ni pacquiao dun sa early rounds), kaya nanalo si pacquiao siguro dahil sa puntos na nakuha nya s knockdown pero kung aalisin mo yun eh malamang talo sya, panuodin mo mabuti yung laban wag mo isipin na si idol manny yung kalaban ni marquez ewan ko lang kung di ka magdalawang isip kung talagang natalo si marquez .............. umaasa lang si pacquiao sa bilis, stamina at power pero sa skills malayong malayo
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Dumakdak na naman si Gayweather. Di ba niya nakita na kaya puro salag si Clottey ay dahil nabigla ito sa lakas ng suntok ni Manny. Alam nyang pag nakipagsabayan siya ay siguradong tutulog siya. Counter puncher din Clottey tulad ni Gayweather, pero mas piniling sumalag na lang para umabot nang nakatayo sa 12th round.
To Gayweather: Paano ka pa makaka-counter punch kung tulog ka na? He he he
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Wala na paghahanda na ni PACQUIO yan weakness nya BOBO Kasi sya puro salita, kung nilabanan nya yan dati baka NANALO na sya ahahahahha
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Parang asong bakla.. tahol ng tahol hindi naman marunong kumagat... laffman:: geyness!
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kumukulo dugo ko dyan kay Mayweather!
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yun na nga ang problema nya eh bumagsak si marquez pero tumayo anong ginawa pagtapos binugbog si pacquiao (sa rematch muntik na din tumiklop ang tuhod ni pacquiao dun sa early rounds), kaya nanalo si pacquiao siguro dahil sa puntos na nakuha nya s knockdown pero kung aalisin mo yun eh malamang talo sya, panuodin mo mabuti yung laban wag mo isipin na si idol manny yung kalaban ni marquez ewan ko lang kung di ka magdalawang isip kung talagang natalo si marquez .............. umaasa lang si pacquiao sa bilis, stamina at power pero sa skills malayong malayo
pre kung aalisin mo yung mga rounds na bumagsak si JMM panalo nga sya. kaso di kumpleto yung 12 rounds yun ang one sided he he he. saka sa boxing natural na mas mataas ang puntos kapag napabagsak ka isa pa yang si JMM na keso sya raw nanalo dun? WTF di mo napabagsak tapos ikaw bumagsak then gusto mo ikaw ang panalo??? Ganyan naman talaga eh daming would have....could have....should have....fact is! Talo sya and yung 1 draw nga dapat talo din sya kundi lang sa technical error ng judge.
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Para kay Gayweather ang pagiging 3 dimensional fighter ay una, kakayahang yumuko ng mababa pa sa bewang mo, ikalawa, kaya mong tumalikod ng nakatuwad sa kalaban upang di maabot ng suntok ang ulo o katawan mo, ikatlo, ang tumakbo ng paatras ng di ganung mahahalata ang pag iwas sa loob ng 12 rounds, kapag namaster mo na yan, 3 dimensional ka na din. Kasi ang pagiging 1 dimensional ay ang ginagawa ni pacquiao, harapan, sabayan, suntukan. wala man lang dakdakan, yabangan at bintangan. boring nga naman diba? Pero pag natapos ang laban, sigurado, bagsak ang balikat nyang si Gayweather dahil babanatan ng babanatan ni Manny yan hanggang sa lumaglag, maski isang drum pa na Xylocaine ang isaksak nya dyan, siguradong magkakalasug lasug ang mga bulalo ni negrong bading.
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one dimensional or not...
counter-puncher or not...
I'm actually getting tired of all the trash talks regarding Mayweather-Pacquiao bout...
why don't they just settle it on the ring like big men and let the people see what they want...
then we will know who is the pound for pound king...
:applause
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one dimensional or not...
counter-puncher or not...
I'm actually getting tired of all the trash talks regarding Mayweather-Pacquiao bout...
why don't they just settle it on the ring like big men and let the people see what they want...
then we will know who is the pound for pound king...
:applause
Yes!! I definitely agree!! Thats why people want the fight.. Both have their own style and skills..Both are unique.. the only thing is WHO will WIN the fight..
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Yes!! I definitely agree!! Thats why people want the fight.. Both have their own style and skills..Both are unique.. the only thing is WHO will WIN the fight..
(Finally! A couple of smart posts (xeroxboy & waldoh's).)
Add to that both can make the fight happen. Who will give way? The last offer made during their negotiation was a blood test 14 days before the fight. Team Pacquiao rejected it.
Both fighters want to protect themselves based on their own personal belief. PBF thinks Pacquiao is juiced. Pacquiao thinks drawing blood would weaken him.
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(Finally! A couple of smart posts (xeroxboy & waldoh's).)
Add to that both can make the fight happen. Who will give way? The last offer made during their negotiation was a blood test 14 days before the fight. Team Pacquiao rejected it.
Both fighters want to protect themselves based on their own personal belief. PBF thinks Pacquiao is juiced. Pacquiao thinks drawing blood would weaken him.
ganyan naman sayo eh smart kapag kakampi nang idea mo boy outdoor
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hmm...pulot lang po sa youtube. pahayag ni roy jones jr. about sa nangyaring accusations ni mayweather kay pacquiao
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbU7CDW6gv4&feature=related[/youtube]
may mga point rin dito si RJJ di ba mga ka espiya?
Oo nga noh. May point nga si Roy Jones. Bakit hindi nya pinag drug test din si JMM.
"Either you want to fight, or you don't... don't play with me." - Roy Jones Jr.
Pacquiao threw 1231 punches, 20 percent landed...si Clottey naman 399 punches at 27 percent ang nag land.
Paanong magkakaroon ng pasa si Clottey sa mukha e kung buong 12 rounds eh nakatago sya sa gloves nya?
Kulang na lang gawing maskara yung gloves nya tapos lagyan ng butas para sa mata nya.
Saka "cool" pa rin ba ang crab mentality?
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Tanga lang at BOBO ang naniniwala sa argumento ni mayweather re: drug test.
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just let their fists do the talking... :) finger4u
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Tanga lang at BOBO ang naniniwala sa argumento ni mayweather re: drug test.
Doesn't matter. Pacquiao could easily agreed but he chose not to. Also, same thing can be said of Pacquiao's refusal to take the test or his demand of an equal purse share. It really doesn't make any sense for both fighters to not make the fight happen.
I also quote Yahoo! Sports writer Kevin Iole for those who can understand. He is being paid for his opinions.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AjxWVQPTPFDMd39uqQpsryGUxLYF?slug=ki-boxingmailbag031610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AjxWVQPTPFDMd39uqQpsryGUxLYF?slug=ki-boxingmailbag031610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Onus on Manny
If Pacquiao is so great, then why won’t he take a real fight with Mayweather? Why would he let a drug test stand in the way of such a big fight? He seems to be all mouth and no guts and knows he can’t hang with Floyd. Personally, I think he’s a chump and needs to step up and show us what he’s working with.
Charles Johnson
Akron, Ohio
It goes both ways, Charles. I think Pacquiao should have taken the test when Mayweather demanded it, just as a way to make the fight happen. That said, Mayweather isn’t bigger than boxing and doesn’t get to set the rules, and Pacquiao wasn’t going to let him push him around.
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ganyan naman sayo eh smart kapag kakampi nang idea mo boy outdoor
Most of my replies are in-disagreement. I always argue. I want to argue. I want to reply. But how can I reply on something like "Mayweather duwag" "Parang asong bakla" "Kumukulo dugo ko"? Tell me how to reply to those senseless and pointless one liners? Dumb one liner spammers.
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Most of my replies are in-disagreement. I always argue. I want to argue. I want to reply. But how can I reply on something like "Mayweather duwag" "Parang asong bakla" "Kumukulo dugo ko"? Tell me how to reply to those senseless and pointless one liners? Dumb one liner spammers.
May punto nga naman siya. Bakit kailangan kasing magusap na parang mga bata.
I still think na iniiwasan ni Mayweather si Pacquiao.
Why else would he settle for less pay sa fight nila ni JMM. Sa dinami dami ng lalabanan, bakit si Marquez pa.
Sana ay matalo sya ni Mosley, para mapilitang magmakaawa kay Pacquiao. Yun ay kung relevant pa rin sya sa world ng boxing.
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yeah Kevin Lole is a big stupid writer i wudnt pay a dime for his dumb opinion. the fight would have happen if pbb didnt start his stupid demand. he doesnt even have a belt to begin with. he keeps on saying that just so manny is an ethnic boxer thats why he's getting all the praise. remove the ethnicity background then hes just an ordinary boxer. so why the hell do that stupid demad if hes just ordinary boxer to you? he's scared shit of manny trying to find any possible way to avoid the fight and blame others for his outrageous demand. HE IS NOT THE KING of boxing to make such demand again he doesnt even have a belt for crying out loud(what part of that you dont understand?). he's such a bully and you think if it's the other way around he would agree for the stupid olympic style test? thats bs man he just have a big mouth and stupid people like Kevin Lole keeps buying hes alibis.
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may phobia ata si pbf sa mge left handed. natalo siya sa olympics sa finals na kalaban nya ay kaliwete. nahirpan din siya si zavb judah na isa ring kaliwete.
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i think si 123kid at yng TS,. may kadudaduda..
123kid i know big fan ka ni floyd your p4p king!!
123kidz World best boxer list.. toast::
1. Floyd Mayweather jr 40 wins 25 ko 0 loss
2. Ivan Calderon 33 wins 6 ko 0 loss
3. Edwin Vallero 27 wins 27 ko 0 loss
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890. Sugar Ray Robinson 173 wins 108 ko 19 losses
1020 Mahammad Ali 56 wins 37 ko 5 losses
3504. Manny Pacqiuao 51 wins 38 ko 3 losses ::secret
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Doesn't matter. Pacquiao could easily agreed but he chose not to. Also, same thing can be said of Pacquiao's refusal to take the test or his demand of an equal purse share. It really doesn't make any sense for both fighters to not make the fight happen.
I also quote Yahoo! Sports writer Kevin Iole for those who can understand. He is being paid for his opinions.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AjxWVQPTPFDMd39uqQpsryGUxLYF?slug=ki-boxingmailbag031610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AjxWVQPTPFDMd39uqQpsryGUxLYF?slug=ki-boxingmailbag031610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Onus on Manny
If Pacquiao is so great, then why won’t he take a real fight with Mayweather? Why would he let a drug test stand in the way of such a big fight? He seems to be all mouth and no guts and knows he can’t hang with Floyd. Personally, I think he’s a chump and needs to step up and show us what he’s working with.
Charles Johnson
Akron, Ohio
It goes both ways, Charles. I think Pacquiao should have taken the test when Mayweather demanded it, just as a way to make the fight happen. That said, Mayweather isn’t bigger than boxing and doesn’t get to set the rules, and Pacquiao wasn’t going to let him push him around.
123kid123 para mo namang sinabi na uto uto si pacquioa at sunud sunuran sa gusto ni mayweather?
they could have the testing after the fight di ba? to prove na walang enhancers na ginamit si pacman?!!
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daming fans talaga ni pacquiao hehehe fanatics talaga idol na idol di na naggiisip bopols...................
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DUMB DUMB DUMB
Hindi ba pwedeng pumayag si Pacquiao sa blood test? Kung gusto may paraan pag ayaw may dahilan.
Lintek na utak yan ang hina.
Who's Gayweather to set the standards? Is he the P4P? Is he a 7 Division Champ? Is he even a man to demande such things?
Lintek na utak yan, yan ang mahina...
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just like my opinion regarding the freakin drug test,
why not just fight in the ring, fair and square?
di ko alam pero did Mosley, Marquez took the olympic style drug test?
did Cotto, Clottey, Hatton demanded / undergo an olympic style drug test on their bouts? No!
with that said, maybe Pacman can and have all the rights not to undergo one as well...
not unless it is mandated by the Boxing Authorities that in every fight, it will be required then that's when we make a fuss if Pacman don't want it...
You don't make special requisites... Even if it is the grandest bout... No special rules when Superbowl or NBA Finals... its only on the WWE where anything can be adjusted for creation of hypes... but Boxing is real... Sports Entertainment is only entertainment...
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konti ng fans ni gayweather buti na lang konti lang ang bopols at hindi nag iisip o sadyang hanggang dun lang ang kaya ng isip(kung may isip). nilatag na lahat ng reasons wala pa rin hopeless na yan tsk tsk tsk.
mukhang na clone pa iisang tao pero dalawang id ha ha ha oo nga naman pamparami double whammy tuloy ang kabobohan. smoking::
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Mga boss i do admire Floyd. He is a boxer that's it un lang ang gusto ko sa kanya his talents and skills when it comes to boxing... But un pagiging trashtalker nya ayaw ko.. parang nagtatago sya at kinakabog kay pac. Although di naman natin masasabi talaga kung sino ang 100% na mananalo dahil boxing un eh, di mo talaga masasabi... Its either masyado lang syang kinakabahan sa lakas ng suntok ni pac dahil ayaw nya masira flawless record nya or.... gusto nya lang palakihin ang issue para ung laban nila ang PINAKA MALAKING KITA.. Kumbaga, insurance na para after the fight. RETIRO na!
just like my opinion regarding the freakin drug test,
why not just fight in the ring, fair and square?
di ko alam pero did Mosley, Marquez took the olympic style drug test?
did Cotto, Clottey, Hatton demanded / undergo an olympic style drug test on their bouts? No!
with that said, maybe Pacman can and have all the rights not to undergo one as well...
not unless it is mandated by the Boxing Authorities that in every fight, it will be required then that's when we make a fuss if Pacman don't want it...
You don't make special requisites... Even if it is the grandest bout... No special rules when Superbowl or NBA Finals... its only on the WWE where anything can be adjusted for creation of hypes... but Boxing is real... Sports Entertainment is only entertainment...
Agree ako dito. kung susunod si pac dito TANGA sya. Kasi uto uto ang trato sa kanya ni FLOYD. Good thing marami syang kaibigan at maraming nagpapayo sa kanya ng may sense. Totoo naman diba kay PAC lang naman sya nanghingi ng special something, chuva, eklavu...
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I'm not really a Pacman fan or followed boxing, of course i do watch Pacman fights, who doesn't? anyway, i been watching highlights of pacman fights in youtube, and one common denominator i think that the opponent said is his "SPEED"...probably not that powerful, as Diaz said, but the dazzling speed, you can let your guards down, and you cannot make that offensive move, like what Clottey did, he's afraid to let go of his defense, thus he cannot box. I think Mayweather is afraid of that, and that unorthodox style of Manny's left hand...but, come September i think we will see both of them on the ring, it's all about the money, probably not to them (atleast on Pacmans side), but the people around them...let's wait and see...
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'wag na natin lokohin ang mga sarili natin...kung mga boxing analyst nga bilib kay manny at isa pang basehan mahihirang ka ba ng ring magazine na fighter of the decade kung lawsy ka?! simple lang mga kaespiya si manny nag-iisa at natatanging boxer na malupit sa ring at di boring ang fight na yun...ang tanong ko lang sa mga nagsasabi na boring ang fight ni manny is kung sila kaya sa ring at lumaban kay clottey sino kaya ang panalo?! sa tingin ko lang walang audience...hehehehehe
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May commission na din para sa drug testing na yun... parang ang pinapalabas ni Gayweather ay hindi reliable yung commission na yun...
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cno ba kinalaban ni floyd at kina laban ni pacman!! show up kau mga floyd die hard fans and bring your list ;D
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puro dahilan lang c Mayweather yan lang ang malakas nya mag trashtalk.. Ngayon lang naman cya nag ganyan kasi alam nya malakas c Manny kaya kung ano-ano nalang sinasabi hindi na kasi nya matanggap na hindi na cya no. 1 tingnan ko lang mananalo ka kay Mosley.
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alam ninyo ba sa ibang bansa ngayon takot na awayin ang mga pinoy lalo na yung mga tahimik at mahihirapan mag english ..
kasi baka pabagsakin daw sila agad hahaha
isa lng masasabi ko kay gay weather ,,
tkot lng yan
iintayion niya humina si packman bago niya lamanan yng tipong may injurie
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im a pacfan, kampi ako sa pinoy syempre! but im a boxing fan first. i regularly visit boxing forums and here some i learned from foreign boxing fans.
waldoh,
mosley actually agreed to do the random testing, fyi. walang ka abog abog na pumayag si mosley sa random tests.
flipblood,
pac only became the p4p number 1 when pbf retired.
p4p ranking b4 pbf retired
pbf
pac
hopkins
calzaghe
so on
so when pbf announced his retirement pac was automatically bumped to 1st place. hindi lang natin kasi kilala masyado si pbf pero he was p4p no.1 for a reason.
another fact is that pacs camp was the first one to make a ridiculous demand from pbf saying that pbf should pay 10M usd per pound that he is over the weight limit. they did that cause pbf went in overweight during the pbf jmm fight.
pbf countered the demand with the random style drug tests. for some unexplained reason pac chickened out of the tests.
"Why else would he settle for less pay sa fight nila ni JMM. Sa dinami dami ng lalabanan, bakit si Marquez pa."
pbf just came out of retirement and its only just to pick/choose a tune up fight. you have to pick an opponent who will test your skills but has not enough skills to defeat you. its not cherry picking cause pac has done the same thing before by fighting the weakest abc belt holder, david diaz.
and the kicker is if pbf defeats jmm which he did then he can say that "i easily defeated jmm the same person who you got a draw on the first fight and many believed the you lost the second fight".
123kid,
you are obviously a boxing fan not just a casual fan. you have to understand na hindi lahat ng tao dito avid boxing fan din. karamihan dito nanonood lang ng boxing pag si pac ang lalaban or si tyson or si holyfield. basta yung mga sikat lang. heck this is not a boxing forum nga e, so be patient kung hindi nila naiintindihan ang goings on sa world of boxing. mga caual fans nakakarinig lang ng balita about kay pac dto sa local channels. which often bends the story or side lang ni pac ang naririnig. marami saatin hindi talaga alam na si pac ang nag back out.
i myself is pissed na hindi natuloy laban nila just because of a simple random style drug tests. yan tuloy akala ng mundo drug enhanced ang achievements ni pac. but im pretty sure last quarter ng 2010 matutuloy yan! and though i think pbf has the skills to toy and defeat pac i will be rooting for pac ofcourse, pinoy e!
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@jg - Great fair thoughts.
I started informing people but they didn't want to be informed so they dismissed my efforts by saying I'm a die hard PBF fan. They want to name calls, I gave them exactly that. Now I'm well passed that, I just let the forums go their way and select when to reply.
I say, no mega bout until one of them losses. They will milk the mega bout build up marketing train for so long it takes. Clearly back in January, both fighters can easily agreed to take crap, take the money, sign back to back fights.
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123kid123 para mo namang sinabi na uto uto si pacquioa at sunud sunuran sa gusto ni mayweather?
they could have the testing after the fight di ba? to prove na walang enhancers na ginamit si pacman?!!
Enhancers help you during training. One normal dude can work out with PEDs for a single month and he'd keep whatever he gained for the rest of his life.
It goes both ways, (As jg said) Pacquiao demanded 10m for each excess pounds knowing PBF has some weight issues. How did PBF respond? He demanded drug tests based on his father's accusations and Pac's excuse why he lost to Morales (Yes, they know that.). That's when the problem started.
People from team Pacquiao started talking about Manny being afraid of needles. Golden Boy suit points out his tattoos. When in the first place, team Pacquiao (Ariza, Koncz, Roach) should have said its the taking of the blood and not the needles. Then it got stuck. It goes both ways.
GBP tried to lower away demands from Pacquiao's camp (Weight penalties, Dallas Stadium, PPV share, etc). They never really wanted the blood test in the first place. Team Pacquiao (Minus Pacquiao) just panicked when it was introduced and came up with dumb ass excuses.
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i myself is pissed na hindi natuloy laban nila just because of a simple random style drug tests. yan tuloy akala ng mundo drug enhanced ang achievements ni pac. but im pretty sure last quarter ng 2010 matutuloy yan! and though i think pbf has the skills to toy and defeat pac i will be rooting for pac ofcourse, pinoy e!
hwat!?! ... ni hindi ko nga kilala si pbf, hindi na tuloy laban nila!?! tsk...
anyway, nice reading your posts. nagkaroon ako ng mild brain hemorrhage ... astigin. so it means na, easy win lang pala yung title ni pacman? connect me if i'm wrong. :D
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@jg - See what I'm dealing with here? smoking:: If you chose to inform them, good luck!
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"Why else would he settle for less pay sa fight nila ni JMM. Sa dinami dami ng lalabanan, bakit si Marquez pa."
pbf just came out of retirement and its only just to pick/choose a tune up fight. you have to pick an opponent who will test your skills but has not enough skills to defeat you. its not cherry picking cause pac has done the same thing before by fighting the weakest abc belt holder, david diaz.
and the kicker is if pbf defeats jmm which he did then he can say that "i easily defeated jmm the same person who you got a draw on the first fight and many believed the you lost the second fight".
Nilabanan ni Pacquiao ang title holder, how was that cherry picking? At yun pa ang first fight nya sa lightweight division.
Tapos si Floyd Mayweather naman nilabanan si Marquez na isang natural na lightweight at pinaangat sa welterweight gayung naghihintay si Mosley sa kanya... Tapos lumagpas pa si Maryweather ng 2lbs.
Buti na lang at maglalaban na sila ni Mosley... ala na kasing choice... SI Mosley na lang ang malalabanan nyang malaki kikitain nya na medyo parang angat pa sya sa labanan.
By the way, ang reason kung bakit bumalik sa boxing si Mayweather.
http://www.nowboxing.com/2008/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-owes-62-million-in-federal-income-taxes/
"According to Robert Snell in his Tax Watchdog Blog, public record shows Mayweather Jr owes Uncle Sam big time.
From theTax Watchdog:
What’s owed:
* The IRS filed a $6,165,735 lien against Mayweather for unpaid incomes taxes on Oct. 9 in Clark County, Nev. He owes the money from 2007, according to the Clark County Recorder’s office."
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@jg - See how they chose to look the other way? David Diaz was good at that time but he was far from being the best lightweight. At that time, it was Joel Casamayor (Followed by J.Diaz and JMM). Anyway, it's still a good fight and D. Diaz is a fair opponent.
They can see pass through that but they wouldn't recognize that JMM was ranked 3rd P4P. They fail to see that D. Diaz is barely a B-class fighter but they do recognize the mismatch in weight against in Numero/Number 1. They also failed to digest that after the JMM/PBF bout, the weight was not an issue as both fighter were barely hurt.
Like I said before, it goes both ways. There's no need to debate. Both of them are great fighters. But these people are so dumb and ignorant to accept that its possible to have PBF as a great fighter at the same time Manny is also a great fighter. That's the main reason why this fight is tagged the fight of the century.
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Wow.
Bakit si Jg kausap mo?
Pwede ka namang magreply sa akin. Hindi mo naman kailangang magsalita ng bobo at tanga porke hindi sumasangayon sa mga sinabi mo.
Wala akong sinabing hindi magaling si Floyd Maryweather. Bakit masyadong nasasaktan ang kalooban mo? ::lmao
Sinabi ko lang na maraming makakalaban ay yung si JMM pa na isang lightweight at hindi sa welterweight sya kumuha ng makaka tune up fight.
Magaling silang lahat, kaya nga mga title holders...
Malaki ang difference ng paglaban ni Manny Pacquiao kay David Diaz, sa laban ni Floyd kay Marquez. Si Manny paangat sa lightweight. Si Floyd, pinaangat si Marquez para labanan sya.
Please lang, respeto mo rin ang mga kausap mo... di ba yun ang hinaing mo nung una?
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Out of Topic: Malalaki na kayo.
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Out of Topic: Malalaki na kayo.
Hehehe.
MMA na lang... mas marami pang angulo.
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@nald -
1) Both fights are over now. Did the weight difference affected the outcome of the fight? JMM was barely hurt even though he was getting hit a lot. PBF was never hit at all. So where exactly does the weight issue come into play?
2) Now compare the experience gap between the fighters in both bouts.
Like I said before, I have nothing against both fighter's credentials. What I don't like is ignorant people dismissing both fighters'. In your case, you can't look at PBF fight against JMM in the same eye you looked at David Diaz and Pacman's.
3) So Mexican casual fans want to see Floyd fight Mosley? You think he can get 15m without question against Mosley?
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Oh alang issue dahil natapos na ang laban at naging ganun ang resulta.
Pero before the fight ang issue.
Malaking difference kasi. Ang sabi kasi ni JG, nag cherry pick si Pacman sa pag angat nya sa lightweight division gayong ang kinalaban ni Pacman ay isang Titleholder. Pero hindi nag cherry pick si Maryweather dahil ang kinalaban nya ay isang lightweight champion, kahit na ang weight ni Maryweather ay welterweight at si Marquez ay isang lightweight.
gets mo? Si Pacman, umangat sa kompetisyon. title holder kagad kinalaban sa weight division na mas mataas. Si Mayweather, bumaba ng competition dahil ang kinalaban nya ay isang lightweight na umangat ng isang weight division.
I don't really care much about the Mosley-Maryweather fight. Gusto ko lang kumalaban sya ng ka level nya...
Btw, kung maglaban si Pac at Mayweather, malamang mapatumba si Pac dahil sobrang elusive ni Maryweather at magaling na counterpuncher. SI pacquiao sobrang daming openings...
Pacquiao pa rin to win kung sakaling maglaban sila ni Maryweather.
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nald,
if you re-read my reply that you quoted i said "its not cherry picking"
pac was gunning for titles on different weight divisions. if you want to be the man on that weight why not fight the best? instead he chose to fight the weakest title holder. david diaz is nowhere near the caliber of juan diaz who is a better title holder. boxing is full of politics and it is run by money, some of the abc belts are meaningless anyway. having a belt doesnt mean you are the best boxer on that weight.
same with pbf, he chose to fight a small good fighter in jmm. its only right cause he just came out of retirement and wants to know if he still got it. now, he can safely say he easily beat jmm a guy that pac had troubles with.
both of them chose weaker opponents in diaz and jmm. but pbf chose the easier fight as compared with pac.
LuCiel07
i was trying really hard to understand you post
"ni hindi ko nga kilala si pbf, hindi na tuloy laban nila!?! tsk..."
mas masarap panoorin ang boxing kung i research mo kung sino ang magkalaban. that way you would appreciate more kung gano kagaling yung mananalo. but if you just watch boxing cause of pac then dont bother.
"astigin. so it means na, easy win lang pala yung title ni pacman?"
against david diaz? i wouldnt say it was easy. damn guy was pretty tough! but he also wasnt the best on that weight division.
you are now connected pare! :)
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Pacquiao had a better chance of losing to David Diaz than Mayweather losing to Juan Manuel Marquez? That's all I got to ask.
I also put Diaz' 1 alpha belt ahead of JMM 2 alphabelts and p4p recognition. Their previous fights (experience) at that time was really irrelevant. I mean David Diaz fought the best of the best unknown to mankind.
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david diaz most notable win before the pac fight was with the ghost of erik morales.
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o yun naman pala... nagkaintindihan na lahat. peace in the middle east.
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o yun naman pala... nagkaintindihan na lahat. peace in the middle east.
Not yet settled. You missed my point.
Do you agree that David Diaz had a better chance of winning against Pacquiao than Juan Manual Marquez pulling the upset against Floyd Jr.? I thought that was what you were trying to say. I mean you presented all the weights, belts but you never really compared the two fights.
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Not yet settled. You missed my point.
Do you agree that David Diaz had a better chance of winning against Pacquiao than Juan Manual Marquez pulling the upset against Floyd Jr.? I thought that was what you were trying to say. I mean you presented all the weights, belts but you never really compared the two fights.
Ahh di ko alam eh. ano sa tingin mo? ano man sa tingin mo, dun na din ako.
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You said: "gets mo? Si Pacman, umangat sa kompetisyon. title holder kagad kinalaban sa weight division na mas mataas. Si Mayweather, bumaba ng competition dahil ang kinalaban nya ay isang lightweight na umangat ng isang weight division."
So that was all useless? I thought we were comparing both fights.
Hey, its all up to you if you want to talk. You were the one who asked for attention.
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You said: "gets mo? Si Pacman, umangat sa kompetisyon. title holder kagad kinalaban sa weight division na mas mataas. Si Mayweather, bumaba ng competition dahil ang kinalaban nya ay isang lightweight na umangat ng isang weight division."
So that was all useless? I thought we were comparing both fights.
Hey, its all up to you if you want to talk. You were the one who asked for attention.
Oh yes. salamat sa atensyon. and yes useless nga. toast:: peace in the middle east.
Go Mayweather!
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Oh yes. salamat sa atensyon. and yes useless nga. toast:: peace in the middle east.
Go Mayweather!
Anyway, the betting public believed more in JMM's upset than DD's. In other words, for the betting public the Pacquiao fight was more of a mismatch compared to Numero 1.
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123kid can really get into your skin, doesn't it?.... ;)
but i have to applaud his enthusiasm and debating skills... :applause
"peace in the middle east?? how about peace in the southern Philippines?... ;D"
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123kid can really get into your skin, doesn't it?.... ;)
ahm, hindi ba at it's more like the other way around?
Nababadtrip si pareng 123kid kapag may nag diss kay Mayweather. Lalo na sa "Pacquiao is #1" at sa "Mayweather is Gay".
"Do you agree that David Diaz had a better chance of winning against Pacquiao than Juan Manual Marquez pulling the upset against Floyd Jr.? I thought that was what you were trying to say. I mean you presented all the weights, belts but you never really compared the two fights." - 123kid123
At para sa katanungan na to. It doesn't really matter now kung ano ang odds ng mga laban dahil natapos na. Pero ganito na lang
si Pacquiao - Featherweight na nilabanan ang Lightweight.
Mayweather - Welterweight na nilabanan ang Lightweight.
Boxing sya kaya anything can happen. Katulad ng pagkapanalo ni Douglas kay Tyson.
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ayos sa discussion. sige. maya ko basahin sa bahay ang talakayan.
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SUS....
Ang masasabi ko lang...
Nainggit lang si gayweather kay pacquiao kasi di nya naisip pompyangan mga kalaban nya...
Mayweather who?? di ko nga siya naririnig masyado bago pa maghari si pacman...
(Please don't flame me. This is only my opinion. )
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Ask lang sir 123 bakit dito parang ang dami nya sinabi pero nung live interview ayaw nya sumagot? May dahilan po kaya nito?
Kasi po diba sabi nyo po uhmm.. ang pagusapan po muna eh yung laban nila ni mosley? Eh bakit ngayon malakas loob nya babuyin ung name ni Pac? Kasi po ba article interview po ba kaya madami sya pasaring sa MP side sir? O baka di sya makaisip ng mga salitang bibitawan kaya iwas sya pag Live interview.
kasi tapos na yung laban kaya kahit banggitin niya name ni pacquiao hindi niya mapropromote yung labang ni manny at clottey.
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ask ko lang po pag one dimensional fighter ka lang posible bang talunin lahat ni manny ang mga talented at experienced boxer na mga nakalaban nya at posible din kaya na maabot nya ang lahat ng championship sa different division, posible ba yun?
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hahaha... akala nila porket boxing fans sila,sila lang pwede mag analyze sa mga nangyayare..... ::pampam ::pampam ::pampam
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same with pbf, he chose to fight a small good fighter in jmm. its only right cause he just came out of retirement and wants to know if he still got it. now, he can safely say he easily beat jmm a guy that pac had troubles with.
both of them chose weaker opponents in diaz and jmm. but pbf chose the easier fight as compared with pac.
Ang problema pa dyan , sinadya pa ni Gayweather maging overweight, fanboy nalang talaga nya hindi maniniwala dyan, kaya tama lang mag demand ang Pac camp ng $10M(?) per lagpas na weight, may rason sila, nakita nilang ginawa ni Gay yun sa mas maliit sakanya para makalamang, eh yung kay Gayweather? ano rason nya? dahil natalo ni Pac mga mas malaki sa kanya?
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kapag tinalo ni mosley si mayweather d na talaga matutuloy ang pacquiao-mayweather kse si mosley na makakalaban ni pacman. d pipitsugin si mosley kaya d nakakasiguro si mayweather. gus2 ko manalo si mosley para tapos na ang boxing
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ahm, hindi ba at it's more like the other way around?
Nababadtrip si pareng 123kid kapag may nag diss kay Mayweather. Lalo na sa "Pacquiao is #1" at sa "Mayweather is Gay".
"Do you agree that David Diaz had a better chance of winning against Pacquiao than Juan Manual Marquez pulling the upset against Floyd Jr.? I thought that was what you were trying to say. I mean you presented all the weights, belts but you never really compared the two fights." - 123kid123
At para sa katanungan na to. It doesn't really matter now kung ano ang odds ng mga laban dahil natapos na. Pero ganito na lang
si Pacquiao - Featherweight na nilabanan ang Lightweight.
Mayweather - Welterweight na nilabanan ang Lightweight.
Boxing sya kaya anything can happen. Katulad ng pagkapanalo ni Douglas kay Tyson.
Do you even know what odds are? If Marquez was +300 and Diaz was +450, then what do those numbers mean to you? Unbelievable. Damn, think man.
Anyway, Pacquiao is the no. 1 p4p. Hands down. He'd even stay there if PBF KOs SSM. No doubt.
Second, when you gave your analysis for a Pac and Floyd, you missed the most important element in Pacquiao's side and puts him over PBF: Freddie Roach. What a pea brain.
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sige, para matapos na ang away, ako na lalaban kay floyd, kahit walang drug test drug test. (joke lang po, para malighten ang thread, sana.) ::pampam
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Pano ba mag boxing?
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Ang problema pa dyan , sinadya pa ni Gayweather maging overweight, fanboy nalang talaga nya hindi maniniwala dyan, kaya tama lang mag demand ang Pac camp ng $10M(?) per lagpas na weight, may rason sila, nakita nilang ginawa ni Gay yun sa mas maliit sakanya para makalamang, eh yung kay Gayweather? ano rason nya? dahil natalo ni Pac mga mas malaki sa kanya?
i agree with you...
kinasa ng PAcman camp ang 10 million per pound na penalty kasi natuto na sila sa KAGULANGAN NI GAYWEATHER kay Marquez. mantakin mong anlaki na nga ng katawan, nag overweight pa samantalang galing sa mas mababang timbang si Marquez.
and the drug testing right after the fight na proposal ng Pacquiao camp.... hindi ba reasonable yun MR KNOW IT ALL(123kid)???????
i guess hindi... kasi TAKOT si CHICKEN FLOYD.... dahil alam nya na kahit mag negative ang result ng test kay Paquiao after the fight, wala na syang magagawa kasi talo na sya....
so to avoid the LOSE TO PACQUIAO, think of impossible demands para di matuloy ang laban. ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
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I think its reasonable. Sadly, both camps got valid points and both camps misplayed their cards. My point is, Manny Pacquiao could have agreed to PBF's demand. Addionally, PBF should have lifted his demand. That's my opinion. As a fan, I dead wanted the fight to happen. In other words, I blame everyone in Team Pacquiao and Team Mayweather and their representations.
On another note, I also think both of them avoided the fight. It's really an equal fight in the sense that no one really knows who will win and the outcome will be a surprise. With that said, both of them are taking a lot of risk. They could easily take much easier fights for less money. Both of them. So how do you fix the uncertainties? Guaranteed back to back fight.
Like I said, Pacquiao will defeat Floyd and Floyd will remain the No.2 p4p even he knocks out SSM 10 seconds after the first bell. I'm only "siding" towards PBF because he is not represented well in this discussion. And I do that because like I said, I blame both fighters for not making the fight happen.
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Do you even know what odds are? If Marquez was +300 and Diaz was +450, then what do those numbers mean to you? Unbelievable. Damn, think man.
Anyway, Pacquiao is the no. 1 p4p. Hands down. He'd even stay there if PBF KOs SSM. No doubt.
Second, when you gave your analysis for a Pac and Floyd, you missed the most important element in Pacquiao's side and puts him over PBF: Freddie Roach. What a pea brain.
Wag ka naman mag start ng name calling. Isa yan sa mga ayaw mo diba?
By the way, Ang sinasabi ko ay sa pagangat ni Pacquiao sa Lightweight, ang nilabanan nya ay title holder kagad (doesn't matter kung weak ang may hawak ng title dahil at least ang nilabanan nya ay decent fighter sa weight class na mas mataas sa kanya) habang si PBF ay nilabanan ang isang lightweight gayong isa syang welterweight. I'm not saying na hindi magaling si Marquez, ang sinasabi ko ay bakit hindi sya kumuha ng decent fighter sa welterweight para sa tune up fight nya.
Pasensya ka na kung nasaktan ang iyong kalooban.
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Wag ka naman mag start ng name calling. Isa yan sa mga ayaw mo diba?
By the way, Ang sinasabi ko ay sa pagangat ni Pacquiao sa Lightweight, ang nilabanan nya ay title holder kagad (doesn't matter kung weak ang may hawak ng title dahil at least ang nilabanan nya ay decent fighter sa weight class na mas mataas sa kanya) habang si PBF ay nilabanan ang isang lightweight gayong isa syang welterweight. I'm not saying na hindi magaling si Marquez, ang sinasabi ko ay bakit hindi sya kumuha ng decent fighter sa welterweight para sa tune up fight nya.
Pasensya ka na kung nasaktan ang iyong kalooban.
+ 1 ako dyan.
and the one reason na nang agaw ng eksena si mosley after ng Marquez-mayweather fight is because bakit daw si Marquez ang pinili ni Gayweather samantalang bakante si Mosley?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAw7xJ-fKk[/youtube]
KUNG TALAGANG KUMPIYANSA SI PBF na siya nag p4p # 1 and he could beat anybody... di na nya kailangan ng tune up fight sa isang maliit na gaya ni Marquez...fight the best agad.
"tune up" fight daw pero nag nanggulang pa (over weight) smoking::
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and why does LARRY MERCHANT calls PBF a BORING fighter??? ??? ???
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYA49V_P4qs[/youtube]
::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
FAN pala siya ni Pacquiao. ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
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Love both expressions of PBF in both screencaps... laffman::
and IIRC Marquez was even underweight during his fight with PBF...
also, who actually believes his "injury" that caused the fight to be moved? :D
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The most ironic thing would be if Floyd defeats Mosley then defeats Pacquiao (assuming), people (most especially Filipinos) still look down on his credentials.
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The most ironic thing would be if Floyd defeats Mosley then defeats Pacquiao (assuming), people (most especially Filipinos) still look down on his credentials.
tama ka dyan paps...pero the way that he's talking right now and kung ano ang trato nya sa mga pinoy... the hell with him kahit manalo pa siya kay Pacman... he's not gonna get my respect.
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@nald - So you just told me crap? No conclusion. Just the weights as it is. The weights of the fighters in Diaz/Pacman and Floyd/JMM. Now, I presented you damn straight man opinion. I rephrase:
JMM was +300 Underdog in betting odds against PBF.
Diaz was +475 Underdog in betting odds against Pacquiao.
Means what? JMM has a better chance of winning against PBF than Diaz upsetting Pacquiao according to the betting public.
That's how you compare mismatches in fights. Not those useless weights. You don't even have a conclusion. You just said his weight that weight. Use the facts.
When did I say I don't like to be called names? Damn, think man. I live to be called out.
Yes, I do agree it was a fair weight penalty. No problem with that. Floyd didn't have any problem with it also as long as Pacquiao agrees to be blood tested. It was simple negotiation turned serious accusation because of dumb ass advisers saying Pacquiao is afraid of needles. If their first response was specifically Pacquiao didn't want blood to be drawn near fight night and arrange for a new weight penalty, the fight could have pushed through.
You're a fan voyager_, who needs your respect honestly? He (PBF) only needs the attention he's getting from you right now.
Floyd is indeed a boring fighter. Non-arguable.
@nald - Now I know you have can't digest information. You can know them but you can't use it. See, you were the one who shared PBF has troubles with IRS. Now, you asked why did PBF selected Marquez? How much did he earned (or generated because IRS took a third) again in that fight? $15m. How much money did Margarito and Mosley get in their fight combined? $8m. How much money did JMM earned in Numero 1? $3m. Do you think PBF will have the same command in split if he chose to fight Mosley.
That's how you digest information, nald. Don't be a bottle cap (can't insult you anymore because I'll get banned) and simply relay information.
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Last: Pacquiao will remain the no.1 p4p even if PBF knocks out SMM seconds after the opening bell. Also, Pacquiao will defeat PBF if they decide to be part of each other's career. Freddie Roach. Because he was -You should know. If you don't, look it up-. Give the man credit.
@Paprika - I believe these guys won't even recognize the work Freddie Roach puts in each of Pacquiao's fights because by doing so, for them, its taking away (At this point I don't even know what they're holding for Pacquiao so as they chose to be blind and ignorant rather than be well informed and fair.) something of Pacquiao's something.
Honestly, I really don't know what's with these people? I mean, I enjoy PBF's acts. I'm not going to marry the guy to hold him in some kind moral or whatever standard.
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I continue to enjoy my stay here in espiya because of one thing: superiority.
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::investigate ::investigate mga mods...keep an eye on this topic...napapasoako sa init ng discussion...ayaw ko ng dumagdag pa..peace everyone!! 8) 8)..chillax!
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::investigate ::investigate mga mods...keep an eye on this topic...napapasoako sa init ng discussion...ayaw ko ng dumagdag pa..peace everyone!! 8) 8)..chillax!
And yet you did post an off topic question. You could have informed yourself who is moderating this section of espiya.net and informed him privately of what is happening in this thread. You should also include citations of specific posts and of course (unlike nald) tell the moderator of what you think should happen. That's what you should have done. What you did is pointless. See, once he read your post its most likely he already read the whole thread. Now you could have at least shared a recommendation. You didn't. Really pointless like nald.
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My moneys on PBF but i will be happy if pac gets the win. ;)
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@nald - So you just told me crap? No conclusion. Just the weights as it is. The weights of the fighters in Diaz/Pacman and Floyd/JMM. Now, I presented you damn straight man opinion. I rephrase:
Honestly, I really don't know what's with these people? I mean, I enjoy PBF's acts. I'm not going to marry the guy to hold him in some kind moral or whatever standard.
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I continue to enjoy my stay here in espiya because of one thing: superiority.
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hey, whatever floats your boat. lol.
Roach is already a given. Pacquiao wouldn't be where he is right now if it wasn't for Roach. Everybody knows that.
Insulting me on the net doesn't bother me a bit. I'm just trying to keep it clean and respectful.
"@nald - Now I know you have can't digest information. You can know them but you can't use it. See, you were the one who shared PBF has troubles with IRS. Now, you asked why did PBF selected Marquez? How much did he earned (or generated because IRS took a third) again in that fight? $15m. How much money did Margarito and Mosley get in their fight combined? $8m. How much money did JMM earned in Numero 1? $3m. Do you think PBF will have the same command in split if he chose to fight Mosley." - 123kid.
I didn't ask why he selected Marquez as his first opponent. I merely stated the fact that he came out of retirement because of the money that he owed the government.
When I said "Bakit sa dinami dami ng makakalaban sa Welterweight, si Marquez na isang Lightweight pa ang pinili nya?", that was a rhetorical question.
By the way, You obviously have an inferiority complex. Go out and hang out with your buddies once in a while instead of wasting your time defending Maryweather on the net.
At sa odds,
Marquez got a +300 sa betting odds against PBF dahil sa kakabalik pa lang ni PBF sa pagkaretiro so hindi alam ng mga oddmakers kung gaano ka rusty pa si Mayweather.
At +475 kay Diaz against Pacquiao dahil si PAcman was (still) on a winning streak and as you say, Diaz is weak.
But the betting odds doesn't have any relevance to what I was trying to point out. I wondered why PBF chose a lightweight as his first opponent when he could have fought a natural welterweight. But whatever. Marquez at that time was the easier fight i guess and drew more crowd (mexicans).
Please don't get too butthurt. This is only the internetz. You don't have to take this too seriously.
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You're a fan voyager_, who needs your respect honestly? He (PBF) only needs the attention he's getting from you right now.
Floyd is indeed a boring fighter. Non-arguable.
Honestly, I really don't know what's with these people? I mean, I enjoy PBF's acts. I'm not going to marry the guy to hold him in some kind moral or whatever standard.
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I continue to enjoy my stay here in espiya because of one thing: superiority.
and i bet you're enjoying the attention your getting... ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
and feeling superior is what makes PBF taking trash.... same as you.... when in fact gaya nga ni nald.. you have an inferiority complex problem.. ;D
may balak ka bang palitan si SG? ;D
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I didn't ask why he selected Marquez as his first opponent. I merely stated the fact that he came out of retirement because of the money that he owed the government.
When I said "Bakit sa dinami dami ng makakalaban sa Welterweight, si Marquez na isang Lightweight pa ang pinili nya?", that was a rhetorical question.
But the betting odds doesn't have any relevance to what I was trying to point out. I wondered why PBF chose a lightweight as his first opponent when he could have fought a natural welterweight. But whatever. Marquez at that time was the easier fight i guess and drew more crowd (mexicans).
Seriously, in a single post? You couldn't even make a connection?
I'm not taking this seriously.
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and i bet you're enjoying the attention your getting... ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
and feeling superior is what makes PBF taking trash.... same as you.... when in fact gaya nga ni nald.. you have an inferiority complex problem.. ;D
may balak ka bang palitan si SG? ;D
nald has an inferiority complex problem, and it's a fact?
PBF talks trash because (as stated above: he's boring) he can't sell his fights as it is.
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finger4u
STFU Floyd!!!
Suntukan na lang kau 123kid at nald sa great wall of china ang venue ano? scared?
tama ng satsat..bakbakan na!!!
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nald has an inferiority complex problem, and it's a fact?
Do you even know what it is?
It is when you try way too hard to show others that you're superior. An exaggeration of one's worth to others.
I continue to enjoy my stay here in espiya because of one thing: superiority.
- 123kid123 <=== This is a prime example.
LIke i have mentioned before, at least three times already, PBF could have chosen an opponent in the same weight bracket at the time but instead picked a lightweight.
There's Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Berto... lots of good fighters in the welterweight division.
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nald has an inferiority complex problem, and it's a fact?
PBF talks trash because (as stated above: he's boring) he can't sell his fights as it is.
HEHEHEH mali ako ng natype.... what i meant was.... GAYA ng sabi ni nald... you have an inferiority complex problem...
may sorryhan naman di ba??? pero sa yo mukhang wala... kasi feeling superior ka nga... ;D
sagutin mo na nga lang tanong ni nald... bakit andaming bakanteng welterweight(Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Berto) na pede
nyang kalabanin sa kanyang pagbabalik... bakit ang maliit na si marquez ang kanyang pinili?????
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si mayweather at si 123kid123 may similarity ;D laffman:: :applause ::pampam
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For the Topic.
Agree ako kay Floyd...
Although I am a certified Pacman Fan and a Paclander
pero sa napansin ko kay Pacquiao sa last 2 fights nya....
One dimentional siya bakit??
-He lacks defense!
-He is susceptible to Upper Cut..
-He's only defense is his quickness, to get out of troubles esp. in the ropes.
-Yes he has Chin, but Boxing is like ( to hit and not to be hit)
Even Roach said that They need to work on Manny's Defense.
If ever He will fight by November.
Pero in the End. Defense wouldn't win you a Game.
The only price to pay without defense is the long term effect of those accumulated punches.
Take Freddie Roach...as an Example and Mohammad Ali smoking::
One more fight for Pacquiao and that is between GayChickenRoidWeather
I want Pacquiao to kick his Black A**
smoking:: smoking::
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OT: mas gusto ko ang takbo ng pag iisip ni nald kesa kay 123kid... ::pampam ::pampam ::pampam
pag naglaban si pacman at chicken, malalan kung sino mas matimbang,.. toast::
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Eto kasi ang panuorin nyo para malaman nyo kung pano ang sinasabing hindi one dimensional, baka four dimensional pa ito, panuorin nyo, tuwad, siko, yuko at TAKBO paatras.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqldHEJ4p7U
pasintabi sa mga die hard PBF fans. Video lang yan kung pano lumaro ng hindi one dimensional. Slo mo ng mga technique na out of boxing rules.
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parang usapang call center pala dito kaya gagawin ko english ung reply ko hehehe
its better to be one dimensional than being chicken toast::
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@nald - When and where? Again, you introduced in this thread that Mayweather was and still having problems with IRS. So, you should heavily consider that when looking at his opponent choice. Money is the only priority. Back in 2007, he earned $25m in each of his fights. In 2006, he earned his career payday of $8m. His other fight in that year earned him $6m. Additionally, he was declined by Mosley twice during these times. Mosley considered him a big risk/small reward fight. Now, the roles switched.
More recently, he received a commanding $15m purse split to fight Marquez who earned $3m. Again, you were the one who introduced in this thread that he's having IRS problems. So make the connection, he chose the better payday.
More to that, Margarito and Cotto are under Top Rank Promotions. You should have a clear idea by now that Mayweather doesn't settle no where near half split of the purse. With that in knowledge, negotiation cannot be done even if its reasonable that Mayweather is the bigger draw. As of today, the highest payday of Margarito is $4m, Cotto's $5m. In other words, Bob Arum will not allow his fighters to get less than %40 of the split.
I'm going to say this one more time: YOU SAID FLOYD JR. IS HAVING IRS PROBLEMS. So why can't you freaking understand that $15m was a much bigger number than $1-14m.
@DjDaveTrance - Nice to see an intelligent reply. I agree on most of your observations.
@everyone - See how DjDaveTrance made a statement. Instead of saying Mayweather is coward or docking, which really doesn't even relate, completely parallel to PBF's views, DjDT took his reply from what PBF's said. I bet most of you guys don't have an idea on what Floyd was talking about Manny being a one-dimensional fighter.
Because of you guys doesn't have the mental capacity to know that Manny Pacquiao also say the same thing about Floyd. You can read it everything (Google it) that Pacquiao was quoted saying PBF's are boring, he only plays defense, runs alot. That is coming from the best offense in the game: Manny Pacquiao.
So what are we hearing from the best defense in the game? Burn retards.
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Burn retards.
::lmao ooohhh yeah that really burnt. lol. What are you 12? lol.
He came out of retirement not to fight the best, nor challenge himself, but to have an easy pay day.
At least now we are on the same page.
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You can read it everything (Google it) that Pacquiao was quoted saying PBF's are boring, he only plays defense, runs alot. That is coming from the best offense in the game: Manny Pacquiao.
This makes sense!
I agree with this One. toast::
finger4u
To Cut it Short:
PBF ----> 90% defense + 10 offense (One Dimensional Fighter... DEFENSIVE TYPE)
Pacman ----> 10% defense + 90 offense (One Dimensional Fighter... OFFENSIVE TYPE)
PBF (Golden Boy Prom) + Pacman (Top Rank Prom) = Fight of the Century.
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At sa odds,
Marquez got a +300 sa betting odds against PBF dahil sa kakabalik pa lang ni PBF sa pagkaretiro so hindi alam ng mga oddmakers kung gaano ka rusty pa si Mayweather.
At +475 kay Diaz against Pacquiao dahil si PAcman was (still) on a winning streak and as you say, Diaz is weak.
But the betting odds doesn't have any relevance to what I was trying to point out. I wondered why PBF chose a lightweight as his first opponent when he could have fought a natural welterweight. But whatever. Marquez at that time was the easier fight i guess and drew more crowd (mexicans).
Simply, that's what I'm trying to point out. That you said you two things: (1)You don't know why he chose to fight Marquez and (2) You introduced in this thread he was having IRS problems. Make the connection. Simple.
Above is the post when you said you don't know why he chose to fight a smaller fighter and at the same you acknowledged that the Marquez fight tops all other financial options. How come you didn't make the connection?
See, I'm willing to repeat this until you somehow get it. And now you made the connection.
One more thing, odds is defined by how many people bet on each side. Two facts:
(1) Diaz is +475
(2) Marquez is +300
Simple, Marquez has a better chance of winning against Floyd than Pacquiao losing to Diaz.
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Simply, that's what I'm trying to point out. That you said you two things: (1)You don't know why he chose to fight Marquez and (2) You introduced in this thread he was having IRS problems. Make the connection. Simple.
ah yes, then this just solidifies tha fact that this guy is ducking/afraid of Manny Pacquiao. The steroid allegation is just too flawed. Mayweather ,who started out as a featherweight himself, should know that it is not impossible for a guy to move up in weight and not lose speed/strength.
Why would a guy who is on top of the world right now bend himself over to a guy who just came out of retirement and flaps his mouth like a cat in heat.
If he really wanted to fight he would have signed that dotted line long time ago. No more of that BS olympic style drawing of blood. But then again, you'd say, "why didn't pacquiao agree to get his blood drawn" and i'd be like "oh because he's king shiet right now and PBF isn't". It's a stupid cycle really.
Oh by the way, a rhetorical question isn't really a question. It does not require an answer nor begs for one. It is a statement in the form of a question. When I asked about PBF fighting Marquez, it was not meant to be answered nor aimed at anyone to answer. just saying.
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@up - Exactly, it was a dumb statement. It wasn't the kind of statement that you take seriously but during the negotiation team Pacquiao did take it seriously. They were the ones who panicked and walked away when they could easily said denied or lower the weight penalty. Really, who did go public first? Who informed the media that Floyd is demanding a blood test? Who put that statement out there? Bob Arum and Gacal. It could have been easily solved.
Up to the last minute, Floyd Jr tried to make it happen. He continued his effort even though it was clear that it was a sensitive issue and Manny Pacquiao doesn't want the blood tests. Fourteen-days is reasonable given how team Pacquiao (minus Pacquiao) reacted all guilty.
On the same note, Floyd needs the money like you said. That's another reason.
Another thing, I think [as of now] Mosley is more equipped to defeat Mayweather.
Like I said, in my opinion it goes both ways. I blame both camps. Weeks after the negotiation broke down, you can read in news wires that they don't really blame Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. The writers turn their heads to the people who negotiated the fight.
On a general note, I don't think Floyd avoids fights he cannot win. He simply choose low risk with high rewards than higher risk with lower rewards. Why would he accept a fight that doesn't make any sense financially? If Bob Arum and Top Rank Promotions offered PBF $12m to fight Margarito back in '06, PBF could have seriously considered that. Remember that, Baldomir has the WBC belt and PBF previously [only] held WBC belts. So for the same amount of money, he chose the belt and, as it turned out, the easier fight. Point is, Margarito was a much harder fight so it should offer more money compared to a Baldomir fight.
On your last point, so why write it in the first if it wasn't meant to be read and ultimately replied.
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Ahm like I said, it was a rhetorical question.
hope the fight happens before they both retire.
good day!