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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #150 on: July 25, 2011, 02:49:54 am »
MARAMING SALAMAT SIR JONAS!!!!!!!
SOLVE NA PROBLEMA NG DAVAO!!!!!!!
SI JONAS ANG SAGOT!!!!!!!!
SI JONAS ANG KAILANGA!!!!!!!

JONAS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT!!!!!!

open ka sir jonas ng panibagong topic para yung problema naman nila ang ma solve.

JONAS ANG SOLUSYON:
- sa baradong kubeta.
- dumaraming ipis at daga.
- tumutulong bobong (tagas ba. he he he he).
- mabahong canal.
- kabag sa utak.
- pesteng lamok ( hindi na lion tiger).
- galis aso.
- atbp. na di kaya ng isipan nyo.......

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #151 on: July 25, 2011, 03:04:08 am »
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Quote from: WATCHER0413 on July 24, 2011, 05:22:49 PM
  TS, kaya ka umaani ng kabi-kabilang batikos ay dahil na rin siguro sa Title ng thread mo -- VIOLENCE OF THE DUTERTES. Sa title pa lang kasi ay para mo nang sinasabi na wala nang ibang ginawa ang mga Duterte kundi manakit o manakot ng mga tao. Kung ang issue kasi na gusto mong pag-usapan ay yung tungkol lang sa pananapak ni Inday Sara, sana yun na lang ang naging title ng thread mo. Pero siguro ay nakita mo na madami ang kumakampi sa mga Duerte sa naunang thread kaya minabuti mo na gumawa ng bago. Ang problema kasi sa Title mo ay parang generalized mo na puro kasamaan na lang ang alam ng mga Duterte. People from Davao have already spoken. May mga umamin naman na naging mali nga ang pagsapak ni Inday Sara, but gave their justifications. Kung yun lang sana ang hanap mo, ang makitang may taga Davao na mag-agree sa yo na naging mali nga yun, dapat tumigil ka na di ba? Maging masaya ka na. Pero kung anu-ano na ang mga issue na pinapalutang mo pa. Ang gusto mo yata ay kumampi kami sa yo at maging masama na rin ang tingin namin sa Mayor namin.   Sana sabihin mo na sa amin kung ano ba talaga ang pakay mo sa pagsimula ng thread na ito. Kasi kung opinyon lang ng mga tao ang gusto mong kunin, madami na ang nagsalita. Pero bakit mo kinokontra lahat ng opinyon nila, lalo na kung kumakampi sa mga Duterete. Does this mean that you are trying your best para mabago ang pananaw namin sa mga Dutertes? ANO BA TALAGA GUSTO TS???
 
at ito ang sagot mo TS sa baba ang layo. @ TS gusto ko pa naman sana makipag Debate sa you kaso wala ka rin palang sense sumagot.

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No problem sa batikos. Bumabatikos ako, naturalmente, babatikusin din ako.

Walang justification sa abuse of authority. Maniwala ka, wala. Simple lang 'tong thread na 'to. It's about the wrong mayor Sara did and the subsequent reaction of her father and brother who have not help diffuse the situation but instead added fire to it with how arrogant they were in their posturings before the media. Parang mga walang kamatayan.

Hindi naman kailangang may pakay para pag-usapan ang mga isyu. Peace!
 

 
 
 
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #152 on: July 25, 2011, 03:13:56 am »
   Kakasawa ka na TS. Kahit anong sabihin ng mga tao dito, kahit aminin man nilang nagkamali man si Sara, di ka pa rin masaya. Paulit-ulit mong binabalik ang usapan sa "pananapak". Yun na lang yata talaga ang alam mong issue. NAPAKAKITID AT NAPAKABABAW NG UTAK MO!!! Sa pagpupumilit mong idiin sa utak namin ang pananaw mo ay parang gusto mong ipalabas na napakatalino mo at kaming lahat ay mali. Di ka marunong umintindi sa punto ng ibang tao. Kung di ko lang iniisip na baka ma-BAN ako dito ay minura na kita nang napakalutong.

@ TS qoute ko sinasabi ni WATCHER0413 dito pa lang matatablan ka na sa hiya kaso para manhid ka. At saka TS parang halata na ako sa u TS sana nagkamali ako.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #153 on: July 25, 2011, 03:22:08 am »
Just keep on posting. I'll get back with you guys. Right now I'm having a meeting with Digong.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #154 on: July 25, 2011, 03:26:28 am »
Just keep on posting. I'll get back with you guys. Right now I'm having a meeting with Digong.



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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #155 on: July 25, 2011, 03:35:19 am »
Just keep on posting. I'll get back with you guys. Right now I'm having a meeting with Digong.

lets get to the max na violence sir. try naman natin pag usapan mga AMPATUAN.
alam ko marami na namang maliliwanagan mula sa mga aral mo.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #156 on: July 25, 2011, 03:47:58 am »
Just keep on posting. I'll get back with you guys. Right now I'm having a meeting with Digong.


hindi ako nakikipagkita sa mga kampon ni ilong ranger... kontra partido tayo...

tuwad ka muna bago ako makipagmeeting sa iyo...

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #157 on: July 25, 2011, 03:53:47 am »
jonas, may naghahanap sayu. DDS daw. sumama ka daw sa kanila.


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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #158 on: July 25, 2011, 03:54:35 am »
sa kabilang thread nakakatuwa si TS at gumawa na talanga nga sariling thread at ito pa yong title : The Violence of the Dutertes

naalala ko toloy si Prospero 'Boy' Nograles na may binabayarang blogger at tugmang tugma sa title ng TS baka nagkataon lang ano. Tsaka TS ang pag pupuna mo walang effect yan dahil paningin ng taga Davao ay iba. At saka TS kahit anong gagawin mong paninira sa mga Duterte hindi na matatablan ang taga Davao nyan dahil kilalang kilala na ang mga Duterte sa Davao. At saka TS alam ng taga davao na hindi violente si Duterte. The legacy of Rodrigo Duterte @ TS kong ihahambing natin sa kahoy kahit anong bagyo o baha o lindol hindi na matutumba yan.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #159 on: July 25, 2011, 04:01:56 am »


Hindi naman kailangang may pakay para pag-usapan ang mga isyu. Peace!

ito anG pinaka magandang aral NA napulot ko sayo sir jonas. enjoy akong makipag usap sayo dahil hindi na kelangan ng pakay. pag walang pakay di na kelangang mag isip. tira lang ng tira. hindi nakakapagod sa utak.

SALAMAT SIR JONAS SA PAGBIGAY MO NG KALAYAAN SA UTAK NA DI NA MAG ISIP. SALAMAT AT NAKAPAGPAHINGA NA RIN UTAK KO.

HINDI KO NA KELANGAN UTAK KO!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #160 on: July 25, 2011, 04:14:25 am »
SIR JONAS!!!!!! SAAN KA NA!!!!!??????
BORING SILA LAHAT KAUSAP DITO!!!!!!!!
KELANGAN PA NG PAKAY!!!!!!!!!!
MAGAGAMIT KO NA NAMAN UTAK KO!!!!!!!!

IKAW LANG ANG BUKOD TANGING KAUSAP NA KELANGAN NG PAKAY!!!!!!
BUMALIK KA NA!!!!!! PLS!!!!!!

CRISPIIIIIINNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!           BASILIOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #161 on: July 25, 2011, 04:37:03 am »
Sorry po sa kabilang thread napasagot ako dun ngeeeeeeee may sayad pala si TS at nang-aasar lang hahaha.
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #162 on: July 25, 2011, 04:50:29 am »
Sorry po sa kabilang thread napasagot ako dun ngeeeeeeee may sayad pala si TS at nang-aasar lang hahaha.
MAPANG API KAYO!!!!!!
HINDI LANG KASI KAYO ENJOY SA MUNDO NAMIN!!!!!!
MUNDO NA WALANG PAKAY SA PAKIKI PAG USAP!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #163 on: July 25, 2011, 02:47:57 pm »
hoy!! gi tawag nakang NOGI... naa pa daw moy meeting!!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #164 on: July 25, 2011, 03:16:10 pm »
na yabag nman ni oi..di sana ako mg post pero natatawa kasi ako kay sir jonas eh..hehe..pwede ma ulaw?.. ::lmao ::lmao

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #165 on: July 25, 2011, 03:23:25 pm »
hmm,saan banda po? patingin naman !  :P  :-*

sino kaya mas gwapo sa inyu ni jonas1  :D

@jonas ,napagod ka na po? ayus lang tahimik na kami  ;D 


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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #166 on: July 25, 2011, 03:41:23 pm »
from TIME MAGAZINE

Dated July 19, 2002

Title: THE PUNISHER


Rodrigo Duterte, the mayor of Davao City, is sitting in his favorite bar, After Dark, a glass of brandy in front of him, a .38 pistol tucked in his waistband. He's wearing jeans and a short-sleeved shirt loudly adorned with wine bottles and bunches of red and green grapes — the same outfit he wore to work. While other guests take turns singing along with the piano player, Duterte tells a strange and disturbing story. In 1993, Davao's San Pedro Cathedral was hit with three grenades during an evening Mass. Six parishioners were killed. The attackers were Muslim militants, the sort easily found in Davao, a time-honored haven for kidnappers, bandits, communist rebels and roaming private armies. Four of the attackers were quickly arrested. Just as quickly, Duterte relates, "They went missing." Disappeared. Dead. "Then," the mayor says flatly, "it got ugly." Further killings? "More like assassinations," he says. The targets — other militants — didn't receive the courtesy of arrest, much less a trial. Were they dispatched on his orders? "Oh no," he responds. "I don't believe in state-sponsored killing." A pause. "I can't say any more, but I taught them a lesson."

The island of Mindanao remains troubled. A Muslim separatist rebellion has raged there for decades. Al-Qaeda members have roamed the island. Foreign businessmen and missionaries must constantly be on guard there against kidnappers. But Davao, a sprawling port city on the southern coast, has emerged as the exception — an oasis of peace in the middle of the Philippines' lush center of chaos.

Residents have a simple explanation: the mayor. First elected in 1987, Duterte was returned to office twice until term limits made him to move to Manila as a Congressman. Last year he returned, running for the Davao mayoralty on his eternal platform: to bring peace and order the Duterte way. The city's 1.3 million residents swept him back into office, and no wonder. On his watch, Davao's per capita crime rate has sunk to the nation's lowest. The local tourism board calls it "the most peaceful city in Southeast Asia." People once fled the place in fear; now they flee other trouble spots in the Philippines — for Davao.

"If we had 20 more mayors like Duterte," says Fred Lim, an ex-mayor of Manila who is no stranger to tough tactics, "the peace and order situation in the Philippines would improve." That's one way of looking at it. Others say Duterte has achieved his results at a grim price, disregarding due process and anointing himself legislator, judge, jury — and possibly executioner — all at once. Justice in Davao, says Senator Rodolfo Biazon, a highly decorated former armed forces chief, is "not about following the law; it's about who's willing to go further."

Duterte is unapologetic about his willingness to venture beyond what legal niceties might permit. Criminals and rebels, he says menacingly from his perch at the bar, "do not have a monopoly on evil." A long, hard stare leaves little doubt that this is not idle talk. One day his methods might be unnecessary, he says. But for now, he insists on what most people from this town have also come to believe: "The only reason there is peace and order in Davao is because of me."

The convoy rolls down San Pedro Street, with Duterte in the lead on one of his beloved motorcycles. He is followed by two other bikes and a pickup bearing M16 toting bodyguards. Now and again, he lets loose a siren, in part to clear traffic, in part to signal that the mayor is on the prowl. Some people stare. Others wave. A few duck swiftly into the shadows. Duterte says he "patrols" twice a week, usually late at night, stopping at precinct houses to see who's in the holding cells and why, and to make sure his police are doing their job. He has made a policy of doling out groceries to cops as a way of curbing their temptation to elicit bribes, but that doesn't mean he's always in a benevolent mood. When he finds a cop drunk on duty, Duterte admits, he personally doles out a thrashing.

Duterte suffers from none of the charges that dog most Philippine politicians: that he is beholden to vested interests, obsessed with retaining power, or bent on accumulating its spoils. He is accepted and welcomed because he has delivered Davao from the bloody days of the 1970s and 1980s when the city was known as the murder capital of the Philippines. During the 21-year rule of strongman Ferdinand Marcos, the military spared neither the rod nor the gun to battle a spate of insurgencies, including one by the communist New People's Army (NPA). By the end of Marcos' reign, many in Mindanao were sick of the government and sided with the NPA — even when it sent hit squads, called "Sparrow Units," to assassinate policemen and soldiers in Davao. But the Sparrows got cocky and started bumping off suspected informants and civilians. As a counter, a vigilante group called Alsa Masa emerged in the mid-'80s, armed in part by the military and set on wiping out local communists. The vigilantes were popular until they too ran amok. A mini civil war erupted. One notably violent area called Agdao was rechristened "Nicar-agdao."

Duterte, who graduated as a lawyer in 1972 — the year Marcos proclaimed martial law — rose to prominence against this backdrop of vicious mayhem. As a city prosecutor he made his reputation by targeting military and rebel abuses with equal fervor. The son of a former provincial governor, Duterte says his father taught him that elected officials must serve the greater good no matter what it takes, like a father protecting and disciplining his family. And Duterte was fearless: even as a teenager, he refused to back down from fights — or whippings from his mother — despite being a self-confessed skinny weakling.

In his first term, Duterte's challenge was to rehabilitate Davao's reviled police department, which was running scared after years of NPA attacks. Shortly after Duterte took office, he heard that some kidnappers were trying to skip town with their just-collected ransom. Duterte led the pursuit, beating the cops to the scene and stationing his car on a bridge at the city line. When the kidnappers arrived, they started shooting. Duterte and his security detail returned fire, killing three of the four suspects. It was like a scene from the Philippine movies, which are replete with Dirty Harry loner-heroes. Here, it seemed, was a man who did what he promised, a man willing to die — and kill — for Davao. Has he, in fact, killed people? Duterte says he doesn't know, noting blithely "I didn't use tracer bullets." At 57, he remains the swaggering new-sheriff-in-town. He wants outlaws to know, he says, "that if I'm going out, I'm going out with my guns blazing."

Guided by his temperament, not the constitution, Duterte gave his cops license to shoot anyone who resisted arrest. He drove into the hills, into the camps of the NPA and other rebel groups ravaging Mindanao and told them he understood their grievances and respected men who fought for their beliefs. But, he added, "Don't f___ with my city." If they did, he warned, "they should be prepared to die."

By the early 1990s, the threat within Davao from communist rebels and Muslim guerrillas had faded. Duterte's vigilance had not. Urchins caught picking pockets have got beatings with a belt or a cow's tail from the mayor himself, often in City Hall. Rich kids who hot-rodded down the city streets were warned that they'd be paraded naked around town. And throughout, he let it be known that he would never relent in his fight against rapists, petty thieves and particularly drug pushers. "If you sell drugs to destroy other people's lives," he threatened, "I can be brutal."

On Sept. 20, Ryan Martinito, 18, and P.J. Taporco, 19, were walking down Ponciano Reyes Street, one of Davao's main thoroughfares. Both were known cell- phone thieves who had been arrested several times and were out on bail. As several witnesses looked on, two men riding a motorcycle drove up, killed Martinito and Taporco with bullets to the head, then sped away. It was 2:30 in the afternoon.

Suspicions immediately focused on the so-called Davao Death Squad, a vigilante outfit the city has come to know well over the past decade. According to press and police reports, more than 100 thieves and drug pushers — some convicted, some charged, others not even formally arrested — have been killed in the city during that time, almost always with the same modus operandi: two men on a motorcycle with a .45 or a 9-mm firing at close range. Such killings were heavy in 1996 and 1997, then sporadic during Duterte's time in Congress. The pace picked up during and after his mayoral campaign last June, spiking last fall after Duterte ordered all drug dealers to leave town by Nov. 30, or else.

The DDS is commonly referred to as the "Duterte Death Squad" — even, jokingly, by Duterte himself. The mayor formally denies any involvement, saying the killings may be gang related. But, characteristically, he points out that most of the victims were repeat offenders who got what they deserved. "From day one," he says, "I told people there are consequences for not abiding by the law." A task force appointed by the mayor to investigate the roughly 40 suspected vigilante killings in the past two years alone has not made a single arrest: no witnesses would come forward.

At the very least, the mayor has created an atmosphere in which the death squads feel free to operate with impunity. Last October, Duterte went on television and read out a list of suspects wanted for drug offenses, including policemen. Two of those named were killed within a week. Jun Pala, a former Alsa Masa spokesman and now one of Duterte's fiercest critics, was ambushed last July and shot four times. Pala has suspicions — but no evidence — about who ordered the attack. (Duterte denies involvement.) Pala argues that Duterte deserves no credit for Davao's rebirth. "How can he say Davao is safer when children" — that's to say teenagers — "are being killed indiscriminately?" It is, he adds, "a reign of terror."

Yet part of the fascination of Duterte's personality is that he also has an incongruously soft and liberal streak. He lives in a modest house on a quiet street. He sends food to Muslim communities during Ramadan and to Catholic communities at Christmas. Almost every day in his office he receives constituents seeking assistance. In one 10-minute span, he gives a mother the bus fare to her home village, counsels a woman seeking a job and tenderly tells a young, badly scarred burn victim that he will pay for her operation and follow-up treatment. (Duterte is known to deliver on such promises.) He is politically correct in other ways too: his party slate during the past election included a Christian, a Muslim, a gay man and a disabled candidate.

But it's Duterte's zero tolerance — for both crime and the judicial system — that resonates. "They can't rely on the justice system, so they rely on Duterte," says former Misamis Oriental Governor Homobono Adaza. Looking to exploit Duterte's appeal, former Presidents Fidel Ramos and Joseph Estrada both asked him to take national posts. And Duterte's way is spreading. Presidential adviser Jesus Dureza, who has known him since high school, says voters in other cities also crave Duterte-type security. Copycat vigilante killings have cropped up in Digos City to the south and Cagayan de Oro to the north. Locally, criticism from Muslim leaders, the Catholic church, and libertarian groups has been muted. Only child welfare and human-rights bodies have complained about the deaths of too many teens. The locals' views are all too clear. Duterte has never lost an election. Everyone in Davao seems content — if a little scared.

Duterte leaves his brother's birthday party after midnight. He sends his security home and leads a walking tour of Davao's shadier streets. It's late but the mayor wants to prove that Davao is safe, anywhere, any time. He ambles past small shops, vendors, restaurants and street corners favored by local hookers. Some of the girls greet him with handshakes and hugs, which he returns with jokes, kisses on the cheek, and some pocket money. "I wanted to end prostitution," he says, "but I had no jobs to give them."

But some of the young working girls react more nervously. Today he's going after drug addicts and pickpockets. Tomorrow, they fear, it could be them. Who, after all, has the power or will to stop him if he chooses to broaden his list of undesirables? The city may be more secure for some, but for the girls peering nervously from across the street, life in Duterte's Davao seems more perilous than ever.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,265480,00.html#ixzz1TAwXBu6e
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #167 on: July 25, 2011, 09:48:00 pm »
Just keep on posting. I'll get back with you guys. Right now I'm having a meeting with Digong.


   SIge Sir Jonas, tatanungin ko nga kapatid ko kung sinong mga taga DILG ang laging ka-meeting ni Digong. Para malaman ko na rin kung sino ka. That is kung totoo yang mga pinagmamayabang mo.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #168 on: July 25, 2011, 11:40:53 pm »
Ang opinyon ng TS ay bayolente ang mga Duterte dala ng ginawa nitong panununtok at pag ngarat sa camera? Yan ba ang punto nya?

Ang katotohanan dito ay wala namang makatatanggi na bayolente talaga ang pamilyang ito. Ito nga ang ginagawa ng pamilya nila para matakot at mapasunod ang mga nasasakupan nila. Sabi nga ay may vigilante group daw ang pamilya nila kaya nga lahat ng kumokontra sa pamamalakad nila ay nagagawa nilang "patahimikin." Kasama na dito ang mga kriminal at pati na ilang mga kritiko nila. Pero mas mainam sigurong term ay hindi bayolente kundi maangas o matatapang o spunky tulad ng mga Tulfo brothers, Mayor Lim, at iba pang gumagamit ng extra judicial means to get their job done.

Hindi iboboto ng mga taga Davao ang mga Duterte kung hindi nila nagugustuhan ang pamamalakad nito at kung hindi sila nakikinabang sa kung ano mang ginagawa nito sa pamamahala nila. Quid pro quo, we will let you lord over our land but you will have to make sure that you bring with your kind of rule peace, order and development for our place. And the Dutertes did just that.

Kung bayolente lang, dinadala lang sa pananakot at simpleng pagiging diktador lang ang pamumuno ng mga Duterte at walang bunga na pinakikinabangan ng mga taga Davao, hindi magtatagal yan. Marcos has proven that. Gadaffi is falling to the same fate as well. Kung hindi na masaya ang mga taga Davao sa pamumuno ng mga Duterte, dadating din ang panahon nila na isusuka sila ng Davao tulad ng mga Ampatuan sa Maguindanao ay lalabas at lalabas din ang baho nila. Pero base sa mga taga Davao, mukhang very satisfied sila sa pamamalakad nito kaya malabong mangyari yun. Yung mga binabaon ng pamilyang ito ay yung mga taong nais ding ibaon ng lipunan kaya pinagtatanggol sila ng mga taga Davao.

Kung ang tanong lang ng TS ay kung mali ba yung panununtok ni Duterte, nasagot ko na yun sa kabilang thread, mali yun. Isa yan sa dahilan kaya nakitang may mali ng DILG as conduct unbecoming of a public official ang mayor.

Kung yung issue ay yung pagflash ng middle finger, ayon sa accepted norms ay mali din yun pero dahil merong freedom of expression ay malaya syang gawin yun, ganun ang pag uugali nila, wala na tayong magagawa dun. Ang mga Duterte kasi ay kaya nilang panindigan yung pag ngarat nila since they have the power and the resources. Isa pa, hindi pa naman yata labag sa batas ang magflash ng middle finger? Ang TS din ay pwedeng ngaratan yung mga taong kumokontra sa kanya sa punto nya.

The fact is there are rules/norms that we are supposed to follow para maging maayos ang lahat just like the rules in this forum. Ngayon yung pagsunod dito ay nakabase pa din dun sa tao kung susundin nya ito o hindi. Sa norms ng society natin ay hindi maganda yung pag flash ng middle finger, parang pagmumura na din ito laban dun sa taong ginamitan mo nito, pagpapakita na hindi mo ito ginagalang at minsan ay bunga din ng bugso ng galit o emosyon. Hindi ako tinuruan ng magulang ko kung paano magmura o ngumarat pero natutunan ko din yun sa mga kaibigan/kaklase ko, tingin ko wala namang sasadyaing magturo nito sa kanilang mga anak. Kadalasan ginagamit mo ito sa mga kaaway mo na alam mong kaya mong palagan, may nakita akong ngumarat sa isang security guard pero tumakbo sya papalayo at sumakay ng jeep nung akmang bubunutan na sya ng baril nung guard.  ;D

Mali ang pag ngarat pero dahil nagagalit tayo ay nagagawa natin ito tulad din ng pagmumura pero ganun talaga, hindi naman holy yung mga tao na yan. Tulad lang din yan ng pagmumura sa tv nila Tulfo. I'm sure nagawa mo na ring magmura at ngumarat, TS. Mas mapagbibigyan na yan kesa yung manuntok kung saan merong actual physical abuse na nangyari.

Kung ang punto naman ng TS ay conduct unbecoming of a public official ang mga aksyon ng mga Duterte, wala na tayong magagawa dun dahil kahit yan din ang findings ng DILG ay hindi sila kinasuhan nito, bahala na daw ang mga samahan ng sheriff dahil nauna na itong naghain ng kaso at makakagulo pa ang paghahain ng isa pang kaso ng DILG at baka makita pa bilang forum shopping.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #169 on: July 26, 2011, 11:41:55 pm »
Just keep on posting. I'll get back with you guys. Right now I'm having a meeting with Digong.

naka uwi na ba sya after the meeting?
bakit wala pa sya hanggang ngayon?

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #170 on: July 27, 2011, 01:31:28 am »
naka uwi na ba sya after the meeting?
bakit wala pa sya hanggang ngayon?
tinira ni digong pagkatapos mabasa ang pinagsusulat nya ditp
pick an evil and live with it till the end.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #171 on: July 27, 2011, 01:03:29 pm »
naka uwi na ba sya after the meeting?
bakit wala pa sya hanggang ngayon?

Hi guys, I'm back!

Sorry, nawala ako ng ilang araw for some official functions. Bueno, I'll promise to respond to your posts. But, pakiusap lang, I'll only entertain those post or sentences that make sense.

I noticed medyo wala na sa tono 'yung ibang comments. Anyway, I'll resume taking with you guys.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #172 on: July 27, 2011, 01:33:22 pm »
Ang opinyon ng TS ay bayolente ang mga Duterte dala ng ginawa nitong panununtok at pag ngarat sa camera? Yan ba ang punto nya?

Ang katotohanan dito ay wala namang makatatanggi na bayolente talaga ang pamilyang ito. Ito nga ang ginagawa ng pamilya nila para matakot at mapasunod ang mga nasasakupan nila. Sabi nga ay may vigilante group daw ang pamilya nila kaya nga lahat ng kumokontra sa pamamalakad nila ay nagagawa nilang "patahimikin." Kasama na dito ang mga kriminal at pati na ilang mga kritiko nila. Pero mas mainam sigurong term ay hindi bayolente kundi maangas o matatapang o spunky tulad ng mga Tulfo brothers, Mayor Lim, at iba pang gumagamit ng extra judicial means to get their job done.

Hindi iboboto ng mga taga Davao ang mga Duterte kung hindi nila nagugustuhan ang pamamalakad nito at kung hindi sila nakikinabang sa kung ano mang ginagawa nito sa pamamahala nila. Quid pro quo, we will let you lord over our land but you will have to make sure that you bring with your kind of rule peace, order and development for our place. And the Dutertes did just that.

Kung bayolente lang, dinadala lang sa pananakot at simpleng pagiging diktador lang ang pamumuno ng mga Duterte at walang bunga na pinakikinabangan ng mga taga Davao, hindi magtatagal yan. Marcos has proven that. Gadaffi is falling to the same fate as well. Kung hindi na masaya ang mga taga Davao sa pamumuno ng mga Duterte, dadating din ang panahon nila na isusuka sila ng Davao tulad ng mga Ampatuan sa Maguindanao ay lalabas at lalabas din ang baho nila. Pero base sa mga taga Davao, mukhang very satisfied sila sa pamamalakad nito kaya malabong mangyari yun. Yung mga binabaon ng pamilyang ito ay yung mga taong nais ding ibaon ng lipunan kaya pinagtatanggol sila ng mga taga Davao.

Kung ang tanong lang ng TS ay kung mali ba yung panununtok ni Duterte, nasagot ko na yun sa kabilang thread, mali yun. Isa yan sa dahilan kaya nakitang may mali ng DILG as conduct unbecoming of a public official ang mayor.


In fairness, unlike some here, hindi ka tahasang pumapanig sa mga Duterte pagdating sa mali. Although, hindi mo rin naman ino-oppose completely ‘yung naging action nila pero saludo ako sa ‘yo kasi you admitted that something happened in the recent past involving the Duterte’s at wala kang kaplastikang tinanggap na tutoo ‘yon as a matter of fact. 

Agree ako sa mga sinabi mo sa itaas at hindi naman unique na ang isang strong man rule e talagang tinatangkilik ng tao ‘yan. Kahit sa ibang parte ng bansa o maging sa ibang bansa man, ang kamay na bakal na pamamahala ay umaani ng hanga at bilib do’n sa mga taong nasasakupan nitong klase ng pamamahalang ito.

Hindi na kita sasalubungin d’yan sa puntong ‘yan dahil hindi naman ‘yan talaga ang isyu. Ginagamit lang na pang-cover ‘yan nuong mga ilan na ayaw tanggapin o walang nakitang mali sa mga ginawa ng mga Duterte kamakailan lang.


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Kung yung issue ay yung pagflash ng middle finger, ayon sa accepted norms ay mali din yun pero dahil merong freedom of expression ay malaya syang gawin yun, ganun ang pag uugali nila, wala na tayong magagawa dun. Ang mga Duterte kasi ay kaya nilang panindigan yung pag ngarat nila since they have the power and the resources. Isa pa, hindi pa naman yata labag sa batas ang magflash ng middle finger? Ang TS din ay pwedeng ngaratan yung mga taong kumokontra sa kanya sa punto nya.

The fact is there are rules/norms that we are supposed to follow para maging maayos ang lahat just like the rules in this forum. Ngayon yung pagsunod dito ay nakabase pa din dun sa tao kung susundin nya ito o hindi. Sa norms ng society natin ay hindi maganda yung pag flash ng middle finger, parang pagmumura na din ito laban dun sa taong ginamitan mo nito, pagpapakita na hindi mo ito ginagalang at minsan ay bunga din ng bugso ng galit o emosyon. Hindi ako tinuruan ng magulang ko kung paano magmura o ngumarat pero natutunan ko din yun sa mga kaibigan/kaklase ko, tingin ko wala namang sasadyaing magturo nito sa kanilang mga anak. Kadalasan ginagamit mo ito sa mga kaaway mo na alam mong kaya mong palagan, may nakita akong ngumarat sa isang security guard pero tumakbo sya papalayo at sumakay ng jeep nung akmang bubunutan na sya ng baril nung guard.  ;D

Mali ang pag ngarat pero dahil nagagalit tayo ay nagagawa natin ito tulad din ng pagmumura pero ganun talaga, hindi naman holy yung mga tao na yan. Tulad lang din yan ng pagmumura sa tv nila Tulfo. I'm sure nagawa mo na ring magmura at ngumarat, TS. Mas mapagbibigyan na yan kesa yung manuntok kung saan merong actual physical abuse na nangyari.

Kung ang punto naman ng TS ay conduct unbecoming of a public official ang mga aksyon ng mga Duterte, wala na tayong magagawa dun dahil kahit yan din ang findings ng DILG ay hindi sila kinasuhan nito, bahala na daw ang mga samahan ng sheriff dahil nauna na itong naghain ng kaso at makakagulo pa ang paghahain ng isa pang kaso ng DILG at baka makita pa bilang forum shopping.

Hindi porke’t sinabing “freedom of expression” e pwede mo ng i-flash ‘yung dirty finger mo sa harap ng mga tao o nakakatanda sa ‘yo e libre ka. Hindi naman siguro gano’n kadili ang tinatawag na “freedom”.  'ika nga, hindi 'yon absolute.

At hindi rin ako sang-ayon na the Duterte’s can afford to have a bad attitude dahil “they have the power and the resources”. That is not simply true. ‘Yung mga nakabilanggo sa Munti at sa mga local jails, they also have bad attidude but they don’t have power and resources. Very clear they are unlike the Duterte’s but, they too, can have bad attitudes. Kung 'yung mga walang kapangyarihan e nang-aabuso despite sa kawalan ng lakas, how much more 'yung mga may power and resources? 'Yan ang malungkot na katotohanan. 

Dapat, the more you have power and resources, the more you should show that you are decent, formal and respectful of others. Lalong-lalo na kung mayor or vice mayor o opisyal ka ng gov’t. Whether you agree or not, abuse of authority and privilege ‘yung ginawa ng mga Duterte.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #173 on: July 27, 2011, 01:47:10 pm »
LOL pumapatol pa kayo dyan kay Jonas eh.....


Something fishy with this guy Jonas1... check here http://forums.abs-cbn.com/yaf_postst1355_All-Hail-the-Champion-Nitpicker-Jonas.aspx




salamat sa nag bigay ng link... ;D


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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #174 on: July 27, 2011, 02:02:19 pm »
   SIge Sir Jonas, tatanungin ko nga kapatid ko kung sinong mga taga DILG ang laging ka-meeting ni Digong. Para malaman ko na rin kung sino ka. That is kung totoo yang mga pinagmamayabang mo.

Brader, hindi naman 'lagi' ka-meeting. Minsan lang. Sige, itanong mo sa kapatid mo.