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Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« on: April 07, 2013, 11:02:56 pm »
I can hear now nintendo and sony laughing their ass off                             http://m.asia.gamespot.com/news/subscription-based-xbox-720-priced-at-300-with-500-standard-model-6406544/
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2013, 11:14:10 pm »
why would they be laughing? Gaming will eventually be an ALWAYS ONLINE situation as gaming evolves, the PS4 will have Game Discs only for distribution but majority of games will be online and Nintendo whos main target audience are 12 and below?

i say BRING ON the ALWAYS ONLINE gaming, less Piracy = Incentive for game makers to make better games

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 11:24:18 pm »
 smoking:: wala naman bago kung laging online na ang gaming same as Steam and Origin and diba next generation xbox are diskless aka no disc allowed due to piracy it's a one game one profile rule now  ;D

pero may rumor na may disk parin ang next-gen xbox which is bluray, pero parang pang play nalang ng movie yun and mukhang malabo dahil sa UV technology (Ultra Violet) aka Digital Copy

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 02:39:06 am »
kung magiging online na e

makikipag-kumpintensya sila sa mga PC online games

they evade piracy and yet they invade another market

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 03:17:12 am »
It's not really confirmed yet until the official reveal which is later this month I think, but it does seem likely that it is true and if it is that would suck to those who want it but doesn't have access to a stable internet connection.

It is quite different from steam and origin which has an offline mode, if the rumors are true you can't play your game if don't have an internet connection and if you are playing then your connection drops for 3 minutes it will stop your game. It could be like the Sim City disaster, except this time the situation will apply to all of your games.

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 03:24:59 am »
Well I for one does not want a always online console. Its anti consumer and not everyone has internet connection or kung meron man internet di naman ganun kabilis. This will alienate them.
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 07:57:38 am »
my opinion on this..im not in favor of Always Online..pano naman kaming mga middle class na 1mbps lang ang internet connection sa bahay?? if we upgrade it means we dagdag bills nanaman so fuck it!, tried wwe 13 online on my xbox360 at sobrang laggy sya, kulang yung bilis ng connection ko

parang sa mayaman na lang papunta ng gaming ngayon
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 08:23:00 am »
the Philippines isnt even considered having relevance in the Console Gaming world, minimal to no support from SONY, MS or Nintendo because of PIRACY, they know how rampant it is thats why they would not care to put any investment to have Official support for the major consoles

the ALWAYS Online concept is for countries who have a majority of the population willing to buy games even online for download since lets face it most of the games nowadays are being shifted digital download rather than Dics method

hindi kasalanan ng MS, SONY at Nintendo kung gawin nilang Always online ang games to prevent Piracy, tandaan natin BREAD AND BUTTER ng mga game devs ang games nila, jan nila pinapakain at pinagaaral ang mga anak at tinataguyod ang mga pamilya nila, kung gusto nilang protektahan yung pagkain sa plato ng mga anak nila na may kukuha dahil pinirata ang games nila eh karapatan nila yun

hindi rin kasalanan ng mga kompanyang yan kung MAHAL ang charge ISPs sa PINAS, ang dapat sisihin jan yung mga ISPs

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 08:54:49 am »
Ps3 superslims are pretty much unhackable up to now and they don't even require to be online always. When I said that being always online is anti consumer its because this approach would do hurt piracy but would also hurt legit gamers as well. Ex. Sim city with an always online drm. Noong nasira ang servers nila who suffered? Di ba yung mga legit gamers kasi di sila makalaro while those who pirate sim city still enjoyed to their hearts content because nakakalaro sila offline. Also What if anonymous hacks xbox live gaya ng ginawa nila sa paghack sa psn? Pretty much di ka makakalaro ng xbox games mo single player or multiplayer hanggang di maayos ang mga servers. Ang akin lang eh ilagay natin ang sarili natin sa sapatos ng iba. Reality is not every gamer in this world has internet connection and microsoft is already denying a lot of potential customers. Yung link na binigay ko basahin ninyo mga comment ng tao doon at makikita ninyo na marami talaga ang ayaw nito.
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 09:32:14 am »
Again as i said, wala kasalanan ang MS, SONY, Nintendo and other companies kung ang ibang gamers walang access sa decent internet connection, they cannot stop the evolution of Gaming because of the minority who have no access to internet, and fact of the matter is Gaming in the last decade has evolved from playing on your own or with a few friends to playing with the rest of the world

the SAD TRUTH is this: we for so long enjoyed the benefits of Piracy stealing BILLIONS of Dollars from Game developers and Console makers so that we can save some money, it is their RIGHT to protect what should be theirs, what they studied hard in school for and worked hard in their jobs to design gaming hardware and develop games

ilagay mo sa sapatos ng Game dev ang sarili mo, ninanakawan ka dahil sa PIRACY gaganahan ka ba gumawa ng magandang game at matinong game knowing mapipirata lang? Now SONY, MS, Nintendo and the rest plan to protect the game makers since sila ang dahilan kung bakit ka bibili ng consoles

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2013, 11:38:16 am »
kawawa nga naman mga game developer nagpakahirap sila gumawa ng games tapos nanakawin lang ng pirata.

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2013, 01:22:44 pm »
Hindi ako against sa online DRM, pero sana babaan nila yung presyo ng games sa third world countries. Kasi yung mga lumang games around 400-700 pesos sa Datablitz kapag 3 years na luma na (pero hindi lahat), minsan 300 pesos pa nga. Hindi ba puwedeng ganoon na lang sa umpisa pa lang? laffman:: Kung pirated 100-200 pesos depende sa title. Halos parehas na ng presyo. Lalong maeenganyo bumili ng orig kung mas mababa ang presyo. Teka ipetition kaya natin (aka magmakaawa) sa MS na magkaroon ng mas mababang price scheme sa SEA countries.
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2013, 02:50:17 pm »
tama si Chief , mas priority yung mga gamers na nag Download ng games nila using PSN , XboX live , Steam and Origin kasi nandun yung pera nila , bakit ka mag pupuyat magpapaka pagod ng todo tapos ma pirate lang yung gawa mo?

regarding SimCity naman they have an server issue , but we also forget na nagka issue din ang Diablo III sa servers nila
and i heard if buy a copy of Sim City that day, EA is giving away a free copy of games from EA Portfolio it means any games na gawa ng EA makukuha mo

saka same issue din naman yung sim city sever and diablo III server , maraming tao ang bumili ng copy nila and hindi kinaya ng server nila yung dami ng players

and why not digital copy? since all games are playable in Consoles and PC except to some titles like Halo , Metal gear , GT , Forza etc

From IGN info about the new xbox
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50mq8-aw_ZA[/youtube]
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2013, 02:57:03 pm »
di lang pabor sa "Always online" Piracy agad..Magnanakaw agad..di ba pwedeng mabagal lang ang internet connection??  smoking::

an 8gb game will take 1 one week to donwload on my connection..
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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2013, 06:30:01 pm »
Hindi kasalanan ng Sony, MS, Nintendo and other companies kung mahal magprice and ISPs sa ibang bansa, they do not need to factor in if how much ISPs charge for service in different countries since their primary target are countries where people are willing to pay for games and willing to pay for decent internet service

if service is too slow then the only logical move is to upgrade to a faster service that would be optimal for downloading digital copies of online purchased games

internet Pricing in the US sa ATT na pinaka common

http://www.att.com/shop/internet.html#fbid=Ai6ZQHIMlY8

AS FOR GAME PRICING

OLD and USED games are CHEAP, unfortunately sa mga BANSA na may OFFICIAL SUPPORT ng Console makers kasi pwede sila ismbong sa SONY, MS and Nintendo for over pricing Old and Used games since they have to adhere to the SRP of the Console makers for Games

the only logical solution for that is to move to another country where there is Official Support and prices are well regulated

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2013, 07:56:08 pm »
If they push through with this "always online" feature, the 720 will be Microsoft's N64. Nuff said.

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 08:31:53 pm »
If they push through with this "always online" feature, the 720 will be Microsoft's N64. Nuff said.

probably the most senseless analogy in video game history, i hope you can explain the logic behind this dumbfounding comment

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 12:47:18 am »
Downloading a game from psn or xbox live is different from requiring you to have an internet connection to play that downloaded game. I don't think lag will be an issue if you are playing in single player mode though.

@kenji_kulet
Like you said Diablo III also had its problems with their servers and it just proves how an always online game will have server related problems one way or another.

The real problem here is that even if you have a decent internet connection but they are doing server maintenance then you can not play your game at all during that time.

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 03:36:53 am »
@Juan Pablo
Regarding server maintenance is not a "Big Deal" when it comes to game servers they will tell you when and how long the maintenance will last a good 2 hour service is ain't bad to wait , you'll get what you pay when getting an original game there are free DLC's that you can get or even pay for $10 add-on will not hurt your pocket no more

have you ever experience playing COD , BF3 online using a pirated copy? add some expansion pack to play the full potential of the game?

it's not the game devs problem if your having a bad internet connection ,they only wanted players to experience online gaming using console(s) that's why they wanted the next xbox to be on 'always online'

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Re: Ouch! Xbox 720 confirmed to be always online
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 08:59:27 am »
@kenji_kulet
Server maintenance lasts 2 hours at the very least and could go on for more than 6 hours. Anyway the point is Microsoft, if the rumors are true and it seems it is since a lot of people in the industry are confirming it (maybe that is why they moved their reveal to next month, to re-evaluate their position about always online), will be forcing you to have an internet connection to play all your games. Not just multiplayer games, all of your games even single player games.

Online gaming is already in the current gen consoles, players have the choice of going online for multiplayer games/modes, the keyword is choice.

Also it is not the game devs who are forcing you to be always online since sony announced that their next gen console wont require you to be always online to play your games, so clearly it was a decision by microsoft not the game devs (again if the rumors are true).

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 10:16:28 pm »
Downloading a game from psn or xbox live is different from requiring you to have an internet connection to play that downloaded game. I don't think lag will be an issue if you are playing in single player mode though.

playing single player wwe 13 online on my x360..madalas ang lag
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2013, 10:20:41 pm »
probably the most senseless analogy in video game history, i hope you can explain the logic behind this dumbfounding comment

ok then. let me put it in the simplest possible way. fill in the blanks.

_______ lost miserably to Sony's _______ because of their insistence on using _______. This turned off buyers because of ________, unlike Sony's _______ which ____________.

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 10:22:05 pm »
it's not the game devs problem if your having a bad internet connection ,they only wanted players to experience online gaming using console(s) that's why they wanted the next xbox to be on 'always online'

do you honestly believe that game devs wants players to experience online gaming? do you think they care? like they care..walang silang pakiilam kung maexperience mo o hindi..ang importante sa kanila sales and hindi ma-pirate yung game
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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2013, 10:30:27 pm »
ok then. let me put it in the simplest possible way. fill in the blanks.

_______ lost miserably to Sony's _______ because of their insistence on using _______. This turned off buyers because of ________, unlike Sony's _______ which ____________.

wow thanks for making it even more senless

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2013, 10:42:43 pm »
do you honestly believe that game devs wants players to experience online gaming? do you think they care? like they care..walang silang pakiilam kung maexperience mo o hindi..ang importante sa kanila sales and hindi ma-pirate yung game

YES I DO

a) thats why there things called ALPHA and BETA Testing which i have had the privilege of being a part of in some games

b) that is also why there are SUPPORT FORUMS and COMMUNITIES usually run by Game Devs of specific Games to help improve gaming experience and fix problems that exist within the games

c) in both scenarios DEVS listen to logical suggestions and fix problems that "BUG" the gamer's experience

the last game i ALPHA and BETA Tested is DEFIANCE which is an FPS-MMO for PC(the form i tested for them), PS3 and XBOX360 so I DO KNOW how much DEVS care about Gamer Experience since they adjusted the game based on player input and it evolved so much that there was less bugs and the game was easier to play

the next game i plan to BETA TEST is Elder Scrolls Online, i just hope im lucky enough to get a BETA Invite