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Gaming Talk => Gaming Consoles => Xbox => : icer April 07, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
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I can hear now nintendo and sony laughing their ass off http://m.asia.gamespot.com/news/subscription-based-xbox-720-priced-at-300-with-500-standard-model-6406544/
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why would they be laughing? Gaming will eventually be an ALWAYS ONLINE situation as gaming evolves, the PS4 will have Game Discs only for distribution but majority of games will be online and Nintendo whos main target audience are 12 and below?
i say BRING ON the ALWAYS ONLINE gaming, less Piracy = Incentive for game makers to make better games
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smoking:: wala naman bago kung laging online na ang gaming same as Steam and Origin and diba next generation xbox are diskless aka no disc allowed due to piracy it's a one game one profile rule now ;D
pero may rumor na may disk parin ang next-gen xbox which is bluray, pero parang pang play nalang ng movie yun and mukhang malabo dahil sa UV technology (Ultra Violet) aka Digital Copy
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kung magiging online na e
makikipag-kumpintensya sila sa mga PC online games
they evade piracy and yet they invade another market
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It's not really confirmed yet until the official reveal which is later this month I think, but it does seem likely that it is true and if it is that would suck to those who want it but doesn't have access to a stable internet connection.
It is quite different from steam and origin which has an offline mode, if the rumors are true you can't play your game if don't have an internet connection and if you are playing then your connection drops for 3 minutes it will stop your game. It could be like the Sim City disaster, except this time the situation will apply to all of your games.
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Well I for one does not want a always online console. Its anti consumer and not everyone has internet connection or kung meron man internet di naman ganun kabilis. This will alienate them.
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my opinion on this..im not in favor of Always Online..pano naman kaming mga middle class na 1mbps lang ang internet connection sa bahay?? if we upgrade it means we dagdag bills nanaman so fuck it!, tried wwe 13 online on my xbox360 at sobrang laggy sya, kulang yung bilis ng connection ko
parang sa mayaman na lang papunta ng gaming ngayon
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the Philippines isnt even considered having relevance in the Console Gaming world, minimal to no support from SONY, MS or Nintendo because of PIRACY, they know how rampant it is thats why they would not care to put any investment to have Official support for the major consoles
the ALWAYS Online concept is for countries who have a majority of the population willing to buy games even online for download since lets face it most of the games nowadays are being shifted digital download rather than Dics method
hindi kasalanan ng MS, SONY at Nintendo kung gawin nilang Always online ang games to prevent Piracy, tandaan natin BREAD AND BUTTER ng mga game devs ang games nila, jan nila pinapakain at pinagaaral ang mga anak at tinataguyod ang mga pamilya nila, kung gusto nilang protektahan yung pagkain sa plato ng mga anak nila na may kukuha dahil pinirata ang games nila eh karapatan nila yun
hindi rin kasalanan ng mga kompanyang yan kung MAHAL ang charge ISPs sa PINAS, ang dapat sisihin jan yung mga ISPs
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Ps3 superslims are pretty much unhackable up to now and they don't even require to be online always. When I said that being always online is anti consumer its because this approach would do hurt piracy but would also hurt legit gamers as well. Ex. Sim city with an always online drm. Noong nasira ang servers nila who suffered? Di ba yung mga legit gamers kasi di sila makalaro while those who pirate sim city still enjoyed to their hearts content because nakakalaro sila offline. Also What if anonymous hacks xbox live gaya ng ginawa nila sa paghack sa psn? Pretty much di ka makakalaro ng xbox games mo single player or multiplayer hanggang di maayos ang mga servers. Ang akin lang eh ilagay natin ang sarili natin sa sapatos ng iba. Reality is not every gamer in this world has internet connection and microsoft is already denying a lot of potential customers. Yung link na binigay ko basahin ninyo mga comment ng tao doon at makikita ninyo na marami talaga ang ayaw nito.
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Again as i said, wala kasalanan ang MS, SONY, Nintendo and other companies kung ang ibang gamers walang access sa decent internet connection, they cannot stop the evolution of Gaming because of the minority who have no access to internet, and fact of the matter is Gaming in the last decade has evolved from playing on your own or with a few friends to playing with the rest of the world
the SAD TRUTH is this: we for so long enjoyed the benefits of Piracy stealing BILLIONS of Dollars from Game developers and Console makers so that we can save some money, it is their RIGHT to protect what should be theirs, what they studied hard in school for and worked hard in their jobs to design gaming hardware and develop games
ilagay mo sa sapatos ng Game dev ang sarili mo, ninanakawan ka dahil sa PIRACY gaganahan ka ba gumawa ng magandang game at matinong game knowing mapipirata lang? Now SONY, MS, Nintendo and the rest plan to protect the game makers since sila ang dahilan kung bakit ka bibili ng consoles
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kawawa nga naman mga game developer nagpakahirap sila gumawa ng games tapos nanakawin lang ng pirata.
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Hindi ako against sa online DRM, pero sana babaan nila yung presyo ng games sa third world countries. Kasi yung mga lumang games around 400-700 pesos sa Datablitz kapag 3 years na luma na (pero hindi lahat), minsan 300 pesos pa nga. Hindi ba puwedeng ganoon na lang sa umpisa pa lang? laffman:: Kung pirated 100-200 pesos depende sa title. Halos parehas na ng presyo. Lalong maeenganyo bumili ng orig kung mas mababa ang presyo. Teka ipetition kaya natin (aka magmakaawa) sa MS na magkaroon ng mas mababang price scheme sa SEA countries.
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tama si Chief , mas priority yung mga gamers na nag Download ng games nila using PSN , XboX live , Steam and Origin kasi nandun yung pera nila , bakit ka mag pupuyat magpapaka pagod ng todo tapos ma pirate lang yung gawa mo?
regarding SimCity naman they have an server issue , but we also forget na nagka issue din ang Diablo III sa servers nila
and i heard if buy a copy of Sim City that day, EA is giving away a free copy of games from EA Portfolio it means any games na gawa ng EA makukuha mo
saka same issue din naman yung sim city sever and diablo III server , maraming tao ang bumili ng copy nila and hindi kinaya ng server nila yung dami ng players
and why not digital copy? since all games are playable in Consoles and PC except to some titles like Halo , Metal gear , GT , Forza etc
From IGN info about the new xbox
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50mq8-aw_ZA[/youtube]
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di lang pabor sa "Always online" Piracy agad..Magnanakaw agad..di ba pwedeng mabagal lang ang internet connection?? smoking::
an 8gb game will take 1 one week to donwload on my connection..
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Hindi kasalanan ng Sony, MS, Nintendo and other companies kung mahal magprice and ISPs sa ibang bansa, they do not need to factor in if how much ISPs charge for service in different countries since their primary target are countries where people are willing to pay for games and willing to pay for decent internet service
if service is too slow then the only logical move is to upgrade to a faster service that would be optimal for downloading digital copies of online purchased games
internet Pricing in the US sa ATT na pinaka common
http://www.att.com/shop/internet.html#fbid=Ai6ZQHIMlY8
AS FOR GAME PRICING
OLD and USED games are CHEAP, unfortunately sa mga BANSA na may OFFICIAL SUPPORT ng Console makers kasi pwede sila ismbong sa SONY, MS and Nintendo for over pricing Old and Used games since they have to adhere to the SRP of the Console makers for Games
the only logical solution for that is to move to another country where there is Official Support and prices are well regulated
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If they push through with this "always online" feature, the 720 will be Microsoft's N64. Nuff said.
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If they push through with this "always online" feature, the 720 will be Microsoft's N64. Nuff said.
probably the most senseless analogy in video game history, i hope you can explain the logic behind this dumbfounding comment
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Downloading a game from psn or xbox live is different from requiring you to have an internet connection to play that downloaded game. I don't think lag will be an issue if you are playing in single player mode though.
@kenji_kulet
Like you said Diablo III also had its problems with their servers and it just proves how an always online game will have server related problems one way or another.
The real problem here is that even if you have a decent internet connection but they are doing server maintenance then you can not play your game at all during that time.
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@Juan Pablo
Regarding server maintenance is not a "Big Deal" when it comes to game servers they will tell you when and how long the maintenance will last a good 2 hour service is ain't bad to wait , you'll get what you pay when getting an original game there are free DLC's that you can get or even pay for $10 add-on will not hurt your pocket no more
have you ever experience playing COD , BF3 online using a pirated copy? add some expansion pack to play the full potential of the game?
it's not the game devs problem if your having a bad internet connection ,they only wanted players to experience online gaming using console(s) that's why they wanted the next xbox to be on 'always online'
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@kenji_kulet
Server maintenance lasts 2 hours at the very least and could go on for more than 6 hours. Anyway the point is Microsoft, if the rumors are true and it seems it is since a lot of people in the industry are confirming it (maybe that is why they moved their reveal to next month, to re-evaluate their position about always online), will be forcing you to have an internet connection to play all your games. Not just multiplayer games, all of your games even single player games.
Online gaming is already in the current gen consoles, players have the choice of going online for multiplayer games/modes, the keyword is choice.
Also it is not the game devs who are forcing you to be always online since sony announced that their next gen console wont require you to be always online to play your games, so clearly it was a decision by microsoft not the game devs (again if the rumors are true).
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Downloading a game from psn or xbox live is different from requiring you to have an internet connection to play that downloaded game. I don't think lag will be an issue if you are playing in single player mode though.
playing single player wwe 13 online on my x360..madalas ang lag
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probably the most senseless analogy in video game history, i hope you can explain the logic behind this dumbfounding comment
ok then. let me put it in the simplest possible way. fill in the blanks.
_______ lost miserably to Sony's _______ because of their insistence on using _______. This turned off buyers because of ________, unlike Sony's _______ which ____________.
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it's not the game devs problem if your having a bad internet connection ,they only wanted players to experience online gaming using console(s) that's why they wanted the next xbox to be on 'always online'
do you honestly believe that game devs wants players to experience online gaming? do you think they care? like they care..walang silang pakiilam kung maexperience mo o hindi..ang importante sa kanila sales and hindi ma-pirate yung game
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ok then. let me put it in the simplest possible way. fill in the blanks.
_______ lost miserably to Sony's _______ because of their insistence on using _______. This turned off buyers because of ________, unlike Sony's _______ which ____________.
wow thanks for making it even more senless
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do you honestly believe that game devs wants players to experience online gaming? do you think they care? like they care..walang silang pakiilam kung maexperience mo o hindi..ang importante sa kanila sales and hindi ma-pirate yung game
YES I DO
a) thats why there things called ALPHA and BETA Testing which i have had the privilege of being a part of in some games
b) that is also why there are SUPPORT FORUMS and COMMUNITIES usually run by Game Devs of specific Games to help improve gaming experience and fix problems that exist within the games
c) in both scenarios DEVS listen to logical suggestions and fix problems that "BUG" the gamer's experience
the last game i ALPHA and BETA Tested is DEFIANCE which is an FPS-MMO for PC(the form i tested for them), PS3 and XBOX360 so I DO KNOW how much DEVS care about Gamer Experience since they adjusted the game based on player input and it evolved so much that there was less bugs and the game was easier to play
the next game i plan to BETA TEST is Elder Scrolls Online, i just hope im lucky enough to get a BETA Invite
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do you honestly believe that game devs wants players to experience online gaming? do you think they care? like they care..walang silang pakiilam kung maexperience mo o hindi..ang importante sa kanila sales and hindi ma-pirate yung game
YES! because i can return the game full refund if i didn't enjoy the game and so as other player(s) who didn't enjoy it
and they can't say "ohh this game is so cool! blah blah blah" gamers aren't stupid to buy games na hindi na review ng mga gaming magazine , forums , community , gamer who posted captured video and post it on youtube
( IGN and Machinima are perfect examples )
Feed backs from beta testers and game reviewers are important specially from the game forums there's always a thread that wanted to hear your feed back about the game or expansions you wanted to add "ideas" from consumers are important
@kenji_kulet
Server maintenance lasts 2 hours at the very least and could go on for more than 6 hours. Anyway the point is Microsoft, if the rumors are true and it seems it is since a lot of people in the industry are confirming it (maybe that is why they moved their reveal to next month, to re-evaluate their position about always online), will be forcing you to have an internet connection to play all your games. Not just multiplayer games, all of your games even single player games.
Online gaming is already in the current gen consoles, players have the choice of going online for multiplayer games/modes, the keyword is choice.
Also it is not the game devs who are forcing you to be always online since sony announced that their next gen console wont require you to be always online to play your games, so clearly it was a decision by microsoft not the game devs (again if the rumors are true).
we should not forget that xbox has a 50GB memory where you can store your downloaded games and can be upgraded to 250 or 500GB or simply plug in an external HDD from it's USB port
maybe the delay is about the next gen xbox capacity from 50GB to 250GB or more we don't know and the bluray player they promise maybe taken out because of this diskless issue they have since Netflix are getting popular to american and other races or 'ethnicity' living here in the US including asians who subscribe to netflix
like i said since it was a diskless gaming platform , Ultra Violet technology can be used to watch movies since Microsoft has a market place like iTunes where you can download movies music and other applications
to be honest i can see the next consoles are turning into PC which hurt me because I'm playing most of games on PC
though i do have an old xbox which i rarely use just to watch movie on the living room , it hurts me in the way that i spend time and money building a computer , then a console gamer will say "i play that game and it has a nice graphics" and he only spends $500 on it
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yes that's true di kasalanan ng SONY or XBOX or N64 kung mag-online games sila this is to combat against piracy di din hadlang ang server maintenance dahil madaming games na substitute
the problems is may existing market na ang online games sa desktop na matagal ng nag-ooperate therefore may existing server na sila at client
SONY Xbox and N64 will gamble not only their game developer to create games for online they also need to invest a lot of servers, technician, spare parts for the server, a building that holds the server, and internet security for hackers and malwares
because wala ng piracy all the sales for their consoles will be dropped dramatically especially in the SEA region
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yes that's true di kasalanan ng SONY or XBOX or N64 kung mag-online games sila this is to combat against piracy di din hadlang ang server maintenance dahil madaming games na substitute
the problems is may existing market na ang online games sa desktop na matagal ng nag-ooperate therefore may existing server na sila at client
SONY Xbox and N64 will gamble not only their game developer to create games for online they also need to invest a lot of servers, technician, spare parts for the server, a building that holds the server, and internet security for hackers and malwares
because wala ng piracy all the sales for their consoles will be dropped dramatically especially in the SEA region
Xbox you mean Microsoft right?
N64 you mean Nintendo right?
because N64 is
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sensya na sir sa correction naguluhan kasi ako eh :P
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maybe the delay is about the next gen xbox capacity from 50GB to 250GB or more we don't know and the bluray player they promise maybe taken out because of this diskless issue they have since Netflix are getting popular to american and other races or 'ethnicity' living here in the US including asians who subscribe to netflix
like i said since it was a diskless gaming platform , Ultra Violet technology can be used to watch movies since Microsoft has a market place like iTunes where you can download movies music and other applications
It could be, but I doubt it would take Microsoft a month to change hard disk capacity, they still had a week or more before their initial reveal date to deal with the hard disk issue. I'm not that sure about the disc-less issue, if I recall correctly you still need the physical disc of the game (unless you bought your game digitally) to be in the drive to play your game. It won't read the disc during the game it is more of an authenticity check before starting your game.
It's really likely that Microsoft is considering their always online position and since it is, suppossedly, an integral part of their next gen console they need a month to think about it.
yes that's true di kasalanan ng SONY or XBOX or N64 kung mag-online games sila this is to combat against piracy di din hadlang ang server maintenance dahil madaming games na substitute.
SONY Xbox and N64 will gamble not only their game developer to create games for online they also need to invest a lot of servers, technician, spare parts for the server, a building that holds the server, and internet security for hackers and malwares
because wala ng piracy all the sales for their consoles will be dropped dramatically especially in the SEA region
Actually no, if Microsoft had a server maintenance none of your games would work in their next gen console, even digital downloaded games would not work if they push through with their always online stance.
It was already announced that Sony will not require you to be always online to play your games, unless of course it really needs an internet connection like online multiplayer mode.
Also being always online does little to prevent piracy, it has been tried before and it failed. Remember Assasins Creed 2 for the PC required you to be online to play the game and save your progress, if you lose your internet connection then you lose any progress you made after a checkpoint and you are not allowed to play the game until your connection is restored. It was still pirated and the only ones who suffered through that strict DRM were legit players since the pirated copy did not require an internet connection to play it.
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Hehe maganda na ang debate ngayon ah? Pero seriously mga tol its already proven that an always online drm didn't stop piracy. Games like sims city, d3, ac3, etc... was still hack and pirated. Ang akin lang sana gayahin na lang nila ang ps3 which they put security checks to validate a game. Nahack lang naman ang ps3 because na leak ang private keys nito pero superslims and 3k models eh unhackable pa rin. Or di kaya online security check na lang imbes na always online buong paglalaro mo. Ang kinatatakot ko lang nito eh baka mahack rin ito sa huli ng mga hackers at yung mga legit na naman ang sasalo ng problema. We can't deny na maraming galit ngayon sa ginawang move na ito ng microsoft and People are even threatening to hack xbox live on the day na lalabas ang bagong console. Good luck sa xbox this gen pero bilib na talaga ako at bibili agad ako ng 720 if they can pull this off.
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@juan pablo. Bullseye! You win 10,000 pesos!
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this issue is all about ECONOMICS
ok some games have been bootlegged but majority of players of said games are still the PAYING GAMERS, the ones playing the bootlegged versions are just a minority, sure DRM isnt perfect but at least its a step in the right direction TO PROTECT GAME DEVS, remember NO GAME DEVS = NO GAMES and remember GAMES are a work in progress, WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE WORKING TO MAKE GAMES BETTER and WORK WELL like that SIM CITY incident, months later it has been improved so has DIABLO 3 and that WORK requires money(Economics)
i hope we can just be honest about the reason why we feel an always online connection and download only/discless gaming set up is bad, the honest to goodness truth... (Economics)
if the Internet we use was free would we react the way we are now?(Economics)
if the games were free but always online(like the free to play games we have for PCs) ganito din kaya reaction natin(Economics) ::)
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It could be, but I doubt it would take Microsoft a month to change hard disk capacity, they still had a week or more before their initial reveal date to deal with the hard disk issue. I'm not that sure about the disc-less issue, if I recall correctly you still need the physical disc of the game (unless you bought your game digitally) to be in the drive to play your game. It won't read the disc during the game it is more of an authenticity check before starting your game.
It's really likely that Microsoft is considering their always online position and since it is, suppossedly, an integral part of their next gen console they need a month to think about it.
yes! you need a CD to play...not just for authenticity yun syempre , each new game or new copy you buy there's a special CD-key which enable you to Download some add-on to the game or special weapon , armor , level etc depending on a game your playing
and that game will register on your xbox live ID, all your games are being register on your xbox live ID for you to see how many achievements you accomplish , how many game score you have and how many percent game play you reach
and the special cd-key is one time registration syempre , so even if you buy a pre-used game or borrow a game since the copy you have is being authenticated on someone's xbox live id... you will lose there special privilege ang matitira nalang sayo is basic single player mode and basic multiplayer mode
so it sucks just to have that special privilege kelangan mo pa bumili ng microsoft points and each $20 contains 1600 microsoft points and each add-on cost 800 microsoft points ,where you can get it for free if you buy a new copy
and that HDD capacity in my own opinion , i think they will go for bigger capacity since game add-on are so popular to diehard gamer like example (mass effect , battlefield 3) have lots of add ons and HDD are getting cheap because SSD's are getting popular
to PC builders
Pero seriously mga tol its already proven that an always online drm didn't stop piracy. Games like sims city, d3, ac3, etc... was still hack and pirated.
because game devs still release hard copy for PC , XBOX and PlayStation kaya may piracy parin ng games and the next xbox will not allow you to play your old xbox 360 games
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@kenji_kulit Actually hard copies, digital copies, psn and xbox live games, dlc's, online pass were pirated. Kaya medyo malabo pa rin sa akin on how they would be able to make this work.
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@kenji_kulit Actually hard copies, digital copies, psn and xbox live games, dlc's, online pass were pirated. Kaya medyo malabo pa rin sa akin on how they would be able to make this work.
Digital Copies ,digital pass and DLC's?? :o really? ang alam ko it's link to your Gamer Tag even if it's in xbox , psn or PC
and digital copies have serial keys too as far as I know
kapag totoo yang sinabi mo then , ano pa silbi ng steam at origin? if anyone can get a copy of digital copies and DLC
lalo na digital pass you must be that real good to type those special numbers and letters in order smoking::
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Actually no, if Microsoft had a server maintenance none of your games would work in their next gen console, even digital downloaded games would not work if they push through with their always online stance.
It was already announced that Sony will not require you to be always online to play your games, unless of course it really needs an internet connection like online multiplayer mode.
Also being always online does little to prevent piracy, it has been tried before and it failed. Remember Assasins Creed 2 for the PC required you to be online to play the game and save your progress, if you lose your internet connection then you lose any progress you made after a checkpoint and you are not allowed to play the game until your connection is restored. It was still pirated and the only ones who suffered through that strict DRM were legit players since the pirated copy did not require an internet connection to play it.
internet connection
sa pinas lang naman mabagal internet connection kaysa sabi ko baba ang sales nila sa SEA region we still use cat 5e cables in the philippines sa ibang bansa 1GB na ang internet connection nila some use cat 6 cable or fiber optics
piracy and hacking kaya nga sinabi ko na mag-gagamble sila dahil sa mga additonal expenses hiring technician and et al
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Digital Copies ,digital pass and DLC's?? :o really? ang alam ko it's link to your Gamer Tag even if it's in xbox , psn or PC
and digital copies have serial keys too as far as I know
kapag totoo yang sinabi mo then , ano pa silbi ng steam at origin? if anyone can get a copy of digital copies and DLC
lalo na digital pass you must be that real good to type those special numbers and letters in order smoking::
yes what I said is true. Sa ps3 as far as I know may tinatawag sila na reactpsn which hacks every psn downloads and unlocks it for you. Mapa dlc man yun or online pass. Sorry sa xbox di ko na matandaan kung ano yung hack na ginagamit nila. Well good news guys. Its seems like microsoft won't require an always online drm afterall. Hanapin ko lang yung link tapos add ko agad dito.
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http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/ I hope that this will be the final product.
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FYI: Adam Orth(the one who Tweeted about always online) is no longer working for Microsoft
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FYI: Adam Orth(the one who Tweeted about always online) is no longer working for Microsoft
yeah heard that he got his ass kick after those tweets ::lmao
yes what I said is true. Sa ps3 as far as I know may tinatawag sila na reactpsn which hacks every psn downloads and unlocks it for you. Mapa dlc man yun or online pass. Sorry sa xbox di ko na matandaan kung ano yung hack na ginagamit nila. Well good news guys. Its seems like microsoft won't require an always online drm afterall. Hanapin ko lang yung link tapos add ko agad dito.
so kung may gumagawa noon? some players are enjoying the game online without even paying? sa xbox live kasi every gamer tag has a history what games are you playing pag nag login ka sa website ng xbox makikita mo doon lahat
so if i have a PS3 i'll get a hack game with dlc's on it ,go to psn which is for free then play the whole game with other players without paying a single cents? paano kumikita sony kung lahat ng player nila ganito ang sistema?
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This is the sad truth. Once you jailbreak your console you can just download everything on the fly. Dlc's, psn games, ps3 games, online pass. Pero don't worry about it because busy ngayon sony sa pagbaban. Thats why I don't encourage people to jb their ps3 or vita at baka ma ban sila.
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Good news naman tayo. May bagong batman! http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/batman-arkham-origins-announced day 1 buy for me.
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This is the sad truth. Once you jailbreak your console you can just download everything on the fly. Dlc's, psn games, ps3 games, online pass. Pero don't worry about it because busy ngayon sony sa pagbaban. Thats why I don't encourage people to jb their ps3 or vita at baka ma ban sila.
ano ba reason why people JAILBREAK/Hack devices? to get APPS and GAMES for free na otherwise kailangan bilin, as i said in my threads ECONOMICs
those who are against the concept of always online are gamers who:
1) Cant afford Games, but are willing if games were cheaper
2) Cant afford proper Internet Connection
3) have no access to proper Internet or the only service offered where they are may be too slow
4) Simply Don't want to buy games because they rely too much on Bootlegging/Piracy and believe there is nothing wrong in stealing other people's hard earned work
GAMING is EVOLVING, much like every other technology in the world and sad to say NAIWANAN na ang Pinas ng because SONY, MS, Nintendo and other companies wont see a LOSS IN INCOME in countries they dont support because these countries openly accept Piracy and have no laws in
if you think about it the Philippines is NOT PART of the BOTTOM LINE if the Gaming Divisions of those companies, if WALANG BUMILI ng PS4, XBOX720, Nintendo Wii U, PSVita or 3DS there will be NO SIGNIFICANT LOSS for the companies who make the consoles and games, the fact there is no official support and weve never had Launch Events simply means our gaming community is insignificant to them and whos fault is that?
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internet connection
sa pinas lang naman mabagal internet connection kaysa sabi ko baba ang sales nila sa SEA region we still use cat 5e cables in the philippines sa ibang bansa 1GB na ang internet connection nila some use cat 6 cable or fiber optics
piracy and hacking kaya nga sinabi ko na mag-gagamble sila dahil sa mga additonal expenses hiring technician and et al
How does this relate to the statement you quoted me from? If Microsoft is planning to use their always online feature to authenticate games internet speed would not matter that much since after authenticating your game you can play it as long as your internet connection does not drop, as in disconnected not speed wise.
this issue is all about ECONOMICS
ok some games have been bootlegged but majority of players of said games are still the PAYING GAMERS, the ones playing the bootlegged versions are just a minority, sure DRM isnt perfect but at least its a step in the right direction TO PROTECT GAME DEVS, remember NO GAME DEVS = NO GAMES and remember GAMES are a work in progress, WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE WORKING TO MAKE GAMES BETTER and WORK WELL like that SIM CITY incident, months later it has been improved so has DIABLO 3 and that WORK requires money(Economics)
i hope we can just be honest about the reason why we feel an always online connection and download only/discless gaming set up is bad, the honest to goodness truth... (Economics)
if the Internet we use was free would we react the way we are now?(Economics)
if the games were free but always online(like the free to play games we have for PCs) ganito din kaya reaction natin(Economics) ::)
I tried to search for it but I did not find any stat that proves that majority of players are paying customers (with regards to the ratio of players playing a pirated copy of that game), if you have one can you please link to it?
I think Sim City has already been hacked so you can play it offline and add features that were not enabled yet, so again if it is true the only ones who suffered are legit customers.
Of course though if it is a free game logic dictates that you don't have the right to complain if it does require you to be always online or whatever else it requires to let you play the game for free, but majority of those games are MMO's if not all of them. The point is it is free, while Microsoft will be restricting your use of a game you have paid for by requiring you to be always online.
Digital Copies ,digital pass and DLC's?? :o really? ang alam ko it's link to your Gamer Tag even if it's in xbox , psn or PC
and digital copies have serial keys too as far as I know
kapag totoo yang sinabi mo then , ano pa silbi ng steam at origin? if anyone can get a copy of digital copies and DLC
lalo na digital pass you must be that real good to type those special numbers and letters in order smoking::
Yes DLC's have been hacked for a long time now, not sure about the PS3 but I am sure about Xbox 360 and specially on PC.
Digital Passes though I'm not that sure, maybe there is a kind of keygen that generates codes and you might get lucky if it isn't redeemed yet.
I don't think you can go online legitimately with those hacked DLC's though.
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This is the sad truth. Once you jailbreak your console you can just download everything on the fly. Dlc's, psn games, ps3 games, online pass. Pero don't worry about it because busy ngayon sony sa pagbaban. Thats why I don't encourage people to jb their ps3 or vita at baka ma ban sila.
idk , di ako convince about this method like i said each platform have gamer tags kaya malabo to play it for free with full credits like a premium users
and ang alam ko sa term na jailbreaking is a method of using 3rd party apps which are for free...jailbreak apps are usually apps that are not registerd to itunes
sa CF nga lang diba? nag loloko yung original serial keys pag masyado na kayo marami gumagamit?
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YES people who pirate/bootleg Movies, Music and Games will participate in statistical studies to determine the ratio of Paying Gamers Vs Free Play gamers Vs Pirates/Bootleggers
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idk , di ako convince about this method like i said each platform have gamer tags kaya malabo to play it for free with full credits like a premium users
and ang alam ko sa term na jailbreaking is a method of using 3rd party apps which are for free...jailbreak apps are usually apps that are not registerd to itunes
sa CF nga lang diba? nag loloko yung original serial keys pag masyado na kayo marami gumagamit?
Believe me tol and I'm not making this up. Everything can be downloaded and use for free using this reactpsn. They can even download stuff using their pc and it will be in .pkg form which they can install directly on their ps3.
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YES people who pirate/bootleg Movies, Music and Games will participate in statistical studies to determine the ratio of Paying Gamers Vs Free Play gamers Vs Pirates/Bootleggers
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Exactly, so where have you gotten your "ok some games have been bootlegged but majority of players of said games are still the PAYING GAMERS, the ones playing the bootlegged versions are just a minority"?
idk , di ako convince about this method like i said each platform have gamer tags kaya malabo to play it for free with full credits like a premium users
and ang alam ko sa term na jailbreaking is a method of using 3rd party apps which are for free...jailbreak apps are usually apps that are not registerd to itunes
sa CF nga lang diba? nag loloko yung original serial keys pag masyado na kayo marami gumagamit?
They get away with it because they refuse to go online so Sony and Microsoft can not check if their games are legit.
You are right, the original intent of Jailbreaking was to add features/apps that were not available originally on their devices but it has also been used to put pirated apps to your device.
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because if they were the majority the Gaming Industry would have collapsed a long time ago
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because if they were the majority the Gaming Industry would have collapsed a long time ago
Ah but it could also mean that majority of gamers of a certain game plays a pirated copy of the game but the game sells enough or more than enough to keep them in business right?
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how do they call there self a gamer if they can't play online and beat other players as**s off , i mean playing online with other player is the best experience in gaming and that's why you'll spend $60 on each game
specially when your playing BF3 you got 60 person in a big map killing each other shooting at each other then you'll go in the other server who has 30 , 40 , 20 players on it , it's a fun way to experience the game
in some MMROPG games like Diablo III it's fun trading rare items with other players and beating other Bosses or Monsters
Believe me tol and I'm not making this up. Everything can be downloaded and use for free using this reactpsn. They can even download stuff using their pc and it will be in .pkg form which they can install directly on their ps3.
weird para sa akin, that didn't mean i dont believe in you where just sharing opinions , kasi if you look at the back of the CD you'll see a code in there, in xbox before your cd play it checks the disc before making it work , although you'll see what kind of game you have on your tray, xbox will still check on it if it's damage or a copy
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how do they call there self a gamer if they can't play online and beat other players as**s off , i mean playing online with other player is the best experience in gaming and that's why you'll spend $60 on each game
specially when your playing BF3 you got 60 person in a big map killing each other shooting at each other then you'll go in the other server who has 30 , 40 , 20 players on it , it's a fun way to experience the game
in some MMROPG games like Diablo III it's fun trading rare items with other players and beating other Bosses or Monsters
weird para sa akin, that didn't mean i dont believe in you where just sharing opinions , kasi if you look at the back of the CD you'll see a code in there, in xbox before your cd play it checks the disc before making it work , although you'll see what kind of game you have on your tray, xbox will still check on it if it's damage or a copy
Because there are gamers out there who does not care for multiplayer or has a way around getting multiplayer to work like playing on Xlink Kai. About the authenticity check that the Xbox 360 makes it is bypassed through the modding of the Xbox and by never going to Xbox Live, there is even a mod that lets players play right out of the HDD of Xbox 360 and that goes for PS3 as well since that is the only way to play pirated games on PS3 that I know of.