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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2009, 09:43:41 am »
anytime bro...  salamat naman at may naitutulong ako.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2009, 07:58:21 pm »
mahirap kasi sa MLM ngayon, sa referrals ka kikita at hindi sa produkto...

wala na ba kayong mga kompanyang mai rerecommend? pareng sally?

yung avon MLM din yun pero legit ang mga products nila...
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2009, 08:13:42 pm »
may diffrence ang pyramiding at ang MLM (multilevel marketing). Pag pyramiding, walang chance ang downlines na magkaron ng mas malaking kita kesa sa upline nya.

Sa MLM di lang yung produkto ang ibinibenta mo, pati yung business/income opportunity na associated sa "network income" iniaalok mo sa prospects.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2009, 11:23:32 pm »
@nald
kikita ka din sa products. depende siguro sa company na pipiliin mo
depende kung ilang percent mga rebates. ranging from 20-40% or even more.

for example you can earn through:
1. selling - benta ka ng products, you get the product for example partner's price less 40% off. then sell mo sha as selling price(regular price for non members).
2. recruiting - you get bonuses for referral bonuses.
3. building your organization(building your team) - kung ano mga nabenta ng downlines mo at sayo meron kang mga ilang percent na share every month sa income. depende yan sa system niyo(company plan) kung ilang percent.

then hanggang medjo mataas na position mo, iba na usapan. meron ka na siguro mga company shares annually. mga ganun. iba iba naman kasi bawat company.

ganyan sa company namin..
« Last Edit: November 17, 2009, 11:26:21 pm by madcarabao »

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2009, 11:36:40 pm »
@nald
i'd like to assure you na pag ang isang MLM company ay legit at ethical, sumusunod sa guidelines ng DTI at DSAP okay yun. magva vary na lang dyan ang business model (e.g. binary, unilevel, matrix, hybrid, etc) na ine employ nila sa company.

I reiterate, sa 8-pt test test quesitions #
      2. Are commissions paid on sale of products and not on registration/entry fees?
      5. If recruitment were to be stopped today, will participants still make money?

talk on recruitment and compensation. ang rule of thumb- if there should be anything that a company can give a distibutor for bringing in sponsors or new distributors, dapat token lang and not something that they will be more enticed to do more than selling products.

sagot sa tanong mo if i can reccomend a good MLM company? yes. send me your email add para dun tayo usap. I'd rather we keep this less advertising than educational and informative. Suffice to say that i had the experience of talking on radio sat and sundays for 3 years on this topic.( MLM Business and Companies).

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2009, 11:47:53 pm »
additional info mga ka espiya:

1. Ang Networking is synonymous sa Multi Level marketing. They are one and the same.
2. Difference ng Pyramid and pyramiding- Lahat ng Businesses ay may pyramid structue. i.e. kokonti ang may ari ( top level), may mga middle  o executive (mid level) at mas maraming rank and file (bottom level) visualize this and it will appear like a pyramid. Laging mas madami ang rank and file even sa middle managers. at kokonting owners.  On the other hand, ang Pyramiding is what illegitimate MLMs do to rape and degrade this business model. They employ schemes that are deceiving to get more recruits thinking they will earn more by recruiting forgetting that the business is selling, NOT recruting. Scams, as others would call it.
3. I earlier mentioned- in MLM lahat nasa itaas because the principle of building an organization or team, downlines as we call it will always make one an upline. With good products, an MLM company will never run out of people who would want to join and earn. Pwedeeng walang saturation point.
4. pwedeng kumita ng mas malaki ang downline kaysa sa upline. sipag at pagpupursige pa rin ang key to making it in this field. pero di pwedeng expectin na mabilis magagaw. give it 1-3 years.

will follow this threrad and just give my 2cents worth of thought.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2009, 11:52:20 pm »
i just want to point this out also.. this is very true.

"4. pwedeng kumita ng mas malaki ang downline kaysa sa upline. sipag at pagpupursige pa rin ang key to making it in this field. pero di pwedeng expectin na mabilis magagaw. give it 1-3 years."

usually ang iisipin kasi ng tao ay upline yan, sha lang kikita..
kung hindi gagalaw ang upline mo at pabanjing banjing lang, edi wala din sha kikitain.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2009, 09:06:49 pm »
May mairerekomenda ba kayong gma kompanya?
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2009, 11:44:41 pm »
@nald ----
yes i can give you an ethical and legal mlm company you may join.  some backgrounder of this company:

1. Food Science Research based in USA
2. Patented Products
3. Clinical Studies
4. President sat as Director of American Direct Selling Association
5. Member of DSAP
6. Papal Awardee ( received 2 citations from Pope Paul II)
7. Has been feeding more than 10, 000 daily  kids in the Philippines through its Foundation
8. With Money-Back-Guarantee for consumers and Buy-Back-Policy for Distributors

For almost 3 years, i shared over the radio about Nutrition. I was an executive in he biggest Pharma company in the world thus i can confidently say i have a good understanding of Health and Nutrition. I am a registered distributor of but am not actively doing the biz coz of my own firm- I have been receiving benefits of the products for more than 5 years now.

Sa mga may gusto ng more details--- email me at sallyco95@yahoo.com   

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2009, 02:00:05 am »
Hi! mga ka-espiya my idea ba kau about sa Alliance in Motion?

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2009, 03:38:48 am »
dito sa cagayan de oro marami na ang members nyan pero hindi ako sumali dahil para sa akin scam yan ang target nila mga college student. may nag recruit na sa akin noon nagpakilala UNO daw ang name sa company din membership daw is 7K din ang gagawin mulang is recruit nang recruit hanggang sa dadami na members mo din bawat members mo ay may komisyon ka tag 1500php if ayaw mong mag recruit mag bebenta ka nalang daw nag mga product..... tapos may isang member daw 300k a month na kinikita 4thyr college student sa ateneo de cagayan din nag pakita sila nang xerox check worth 300k naka pangalan doon sa student... pero hindi ako naniwala talagang scam yan........ ;D

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« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2011, 12:24:10 am »
Very Good!!! Yes, you are right!!

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2011, 11:43:48 am »
Some additional snippets....

" Ang kumikita lang sa networking ay ang mga nasa itaas".
...  ------ Yes, this is true if we follow the right, legal and ethical principle of right networking companies na you sponsor or recruit everybody who will do the business. Meaning, magkakaroon din sila ng downlines. Ergo, lahat nasa itaas.

Binary is a business plan model of an MLM---- it is legal. while history in this industry would show na mas madaming companies na gumamit ng ganitong style, mas marami ring nagfold up. why? simply put- strategy is easier said than done. and dito mas malaking chances na owners or pioneers earn more. when there are fall outs or fold up, lahat ng kasama na di pa nakakakuha ng pairings, kahit may benta eh walang kita.


i like this one.. hehe.. the concept is true.. networking and MLM companies, lagi naman nasa taas ng structuer ang kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa nasa baba...

then, to put this principle sa standard world of business.. it applies... the owner itself being on top of everyone earns the biggest portion... then the ceo, coo etc.. then the lowest individual in the structure ay meron starting salary.. w/c is yung minimum...

if you could see the picture, we're in a pyramid structured society.. so it's wrong to say that pyramiding is a scam.. it's better to say that a certain company is a scam.. kasi if yung mismong concept ng pyramid ang sasabihan mo ng scam edi lahat ng structured orgnization natin eh scam na kasi pyramid laht yan eh..

investigate about the company.. madami tlga gahaman sa pera kaya nga naimbento ang business eh.. kung wla gahaman sa pera edi sana barter trade pa din tayo... every business, every work ay may tamang panahon ng pagbbloom sayo.. kahit mag traditional business ka, hindi mo masasabi na kikita yan, aasenso or malulugi.. sugal lagi yan.. then once na naghire ka ng tindera sa isang store, pyramid na tawag sa tindahan mo.. kasi meron ka ng narecruit na under mo.. hahaha..

DTI: if you invest, 80% of your investment should manifest on your investment, pwedeng ivnestment bond, items. etc.. basta 80%.. yun ang legality sa country natin..
about other legalities, if food suppliments, check ang bfad, etc.

all in all, hindi structure ang problema.. yung tao... if loko2 tlga nasalihan mong grupo.. wala mangyayari sayo.. hahaha

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2011, 06:25:43 pm »
What is a Pyramid Scheme?

The main characteristic of a pyramid scheme is that participants only make money by recruiting more members. There are many different kinds of pyramid schemes, but the two most basic are product-based and so-called naked pyramid schemes.

In a naked pyramid scheme, no product is sold. Here's how it works:

   1. One person recruits 10 other people to participate in a "no-fail investment opportunity."
   2. The 10 recruits each pay the recruiter $100.
   3. The recruiter now tells them to go out and recruit 10 more people to do the same.
   4. If each recruit is successful, they'll all end up with $900 in profit from a $100 investment.

pyramid scheme illustration
Pyramid schemes quickly become unsustainable.

Sounds simple enough, but here's the problem: Let's say the initial 10 recruits each find 10 more people. Those 100 new recruits will have to find 10 recruits each to make $900. That means they have to find 1,000 people willing to sign up for the program. And if they somehow find 1,000 people, that next level of the pyramid will need to sign up 10,000 to make a profit. Eventually, there won't be enough recruits at the bottom of the pyramid to support the level above it. That's when the pyramid topples and everyone at the bottom loses their investment.

A product-based pyramid scheme is the same concept disguised as a legitimate direct sales opportunity. Here's how it works:

   1. A distributor recruits 10 salespeople who each pay $500 for a starter kit of products to sell.
   2. The distributor gets 10 percent of each starter kit that's sold.
   3. The distributor also gets 10 percent of each product that any of his recruits sells, including more starter kits.
   4. The recruits are told that the fastest way to make money isn't by selling products, but by recruiting more people to buy starter kits.
   5. The people at the top of the pyramid get commissions from everyone in their downline, the many levels of recruits below them on the pyramid.



The problem with most product-based pyramid schemes is that the products themselves don't sell very well, or have very slim profit margins. So the only way to make money is to find more recruits. Eventually (and surprisingly quickly), the market becomes saturated. There are too many people trying to sell the same unattractive product and there's no one left to be recruited.

It's mathematically impossible for everyone to make money in a pyramid scheme. For example, if each recruit needs to find 10 more people to recoup the cost of his or her initial investment, the eighth level of the pyramid would have to recruit a billion people to make back their money. And the next level would need 10 billion, nearly twice the population of the Earth.

In fact, pyramid schemes don't work unless somebody loses. Those at the bottom of the pyramid are essentially defrauded by those on top. It's a mathematical fact that no matter how many people join a pyramid scheme, 88 percent of the members will be on the bottom level and will lose their money [source: Pyramid Scheme Alert]. Pyramid schemes are illegal because people don't lose their money due to normal market forces, but because the system requires them to lose so that a few at the top will win.

Source - http://money.howstuffworks.com/pyramid-scheme.htm