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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2007, 03:16:36 am »
para sa lahat nang nagrurunong-runungan at galit kay kobe. do you think u know better than this guys..?sorry i dont think so.

(another "they say" on kobe) :


* "He's an unbelievable player. He's God's gift, something that's going to flash before our eyes and I don't think it's every going to happen again. The only person I can think about he's catching up with is Michael Jordan." - Rashard Lewis
   
* "I give him all the respect in the world. He is the No. 1 player in the league, by far. It’s like that. With a player like him, he just wants that challenge. He’s just that fierce competitor. He doesn’t want to get out-showed. He’s the one who everybody’s afraid of." - Gilbert Arenas
   
* "I think Kobe Bryant should be at the top of the (MVP) list. His game is unstoppable." - Amare Stoudemire
   
* "He's definitely the best player in the NBA -- to me. I don't know if winning the (MVP) award is important to him or not. But he has three (championship) rings and that's what it's all about." - LeBron James
   
* "I played with both Kobe (Bryant) and Michael (Jordan). I would have to say that Kobe Bryant is the better player. Kobe has a much better shot, handles the ball better, and just has more tricks to go along with his game." - John Salley
   
* "Obviously Kobe is an unbelievable player. He can explode for 50 points at any given time. There's nothing we can do about that, and we're just going to have to deal with that. You're never going to stop Kobe. He's just too good. You just have to make him work for what he gets. Kobe is the greatest player I have ever seen at what he does." - Mike D'Antoni


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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2007, 06:58:56 am »
Wag mong i-base sa mga random quotes. Tignan mo na lang ang stats. Balewala ang mga quotes kung hindi sinusuportahan ng mga statistics.

Kobe hasn't done anything without Shaq. He is still a sidekick in everyone's eyes.

While Lebron James is winning, Kobe Bryant is whining.




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LeBron, not Kobe, is king of league

TO THE HIGH pitch of whine and the rumble of a bull with the speed of a cheetah, there is a changing of the guard in the NBA. We are at the dawn of a new era.

Kobe Bryant out, LeBron James in.

And, yes, it's that simple.

Understand, Kobe gets to keep his all-NBA membership card. He earns it every year. The Lakers star is a rare and special talent, capable of unrivaled feats of scoring and occasional fits of stifling defense.

Yes, his package includes more selfishness than most NBA fans can stomach. Yes, his halting attempts at professionalism tend to precede acts of astounding pettiness. Yes, he often sabotages his best intentions. And we know that being loved and stroked and spoiled, certainly in Southern California, has not pacified Bryant.

Still, Kobe's persona is not why the crown for which he yearns — "best player in the league" — is being fitted for LeBron.

It's about team. And game. It's a matter of performance and timing.

LeBron arrived the other night. With his Cleveland Cavaliers under crushing pressure, needing to beat favored Detroit on its own floor to stave off an elimination game in the Eastern Conference finals, James served notice that the league will be his soon, if not this season.

One day after Bryant's highly publicized sniveling reminded us that he is a tortured soul or a calculating back-stabber — or both — James, playing a little bit of every position except center, delivered a message to Kobe and the rest of the ballers: Stop crying, man up and carry your team.

At 22, James is exhibiting more courage and resolve than not only Kobe but also Allen Iverson, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett — all outstanding veterans who at one time or another have shined a light elsewhere as an excuse for the limitations of the team.

While Bryant was an effective closer behind Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe solo has not been able to get the Lakers out of the first round.

LeBron may not wait for his Shaq to reach Cleveland.

Over the final minutes of the fourth quarter and two overtimes of Game 5 at the Palace of Auburn Hills, James was in a zone the likes of which we've not seen. Mind-boggling statistics tell most of the story. James scored Cleveland's final 25 points and 29 of its last 30, was the only Cav to score in the final 2:49 of regulation or in either OT and scored the game-winner on a layup, having used finesse and muscle to force his way through four Pistons.

This is straight from a script rejected as unrealistic, all the more with regard to conditions.

Guard Larry Hughes, Cleveland's second-best player, was on the bench with a bum wheel.

Forward Drew Gooden, debatably the team's third-best player, had fouled out.

Zydrunas Ilgauskas, the 7-foot-3 center in the debate with Gooden, was disqualified shortly thereafter.

So it was up to James, surrounded by the ordinary likes of Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones and Eric Snow, as well as mediocre coach Mike Brown, to put his foot on the neck of the Pistons, whose savvy and defense rank second to none in the conference.

LeBron did. By single-handedly lifting his team above the sum of its parts, throughout these playoffs and certainly in this series, James is doing the very thing Bryant has been unable to do. LeBron's teammates are inferior to those Lakers not named Kobe, especially when the Cavs are without Hughes, Gooden and Ilgauskas.

But James did more than shock the Pistons. He credited his teammates. For what, I can't tell you. He praised them for spreading the floor, allowing him to work his magic. It was beyond gracious; he was much too kind to a bunch of guys who realized they were better off staying out of the way.

But that's not all James did. When Detroit forward Antonio McDyess used a right forearm to deck Cleveland's Anderson Varejao as he drove to the basket, who but LeBron immediately rushed to support his fallen teammate, sprinting toward and gesturing at McDyess.

James gave all he had to provide his team with all it needed, in the most important game of its season. He excelled in the role of the ultimate teammate, then summoned a bravura performance in the role of gracious teammate.

And I have to say this again: He is 22 years old.

Which is to say James has aged exponentially during these playoffs. Does anybody really believe the LeBron we're watching now is the same LeBron who 13 days ago dished off to an open Marshall in Game1?

This generation has searched for years for its Michael Jordan. It's not Grant Hill, nor is it Vince Carter. Kobe had the look, but so much else about him was off; he never got the universal love accorded MJ.

As fabulous as Dwyane Wade is, the search ends in Cleveland. LeBron is the new Michael. Bigger, stronger and just as fast.

All he needs now is enough time, whether measured by days or years, to collect his rings.

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2007, 03:51:49 am »
Huh? Why not base it on quotes..? What is stats by the way? Stats are just numbers recorded on a player scientificaly.
Do see competetiveness in stats? Do u see "eager to win" in stats? If Spurs will win this finals, Robert Horry will have his 6th ring (tied with MJ). Do you see stats?

This players like MJ, ARENAS. LEBRON, etc.. are reliable enough to believe what they r saying. This players know exactly what they are saying, thay appreciate greatness. They play with kobe not only once so they should know. Kaya kung nakuha nilang mag-quote kay kobe ng ganun better believe. It actualy came from their experience.


So our topic is about reactions on "Kobe's 81 point game". So meron ba tau dapat pagtalunan? Diba dapat marami nga ang matuwa dahil nangyari ang secong most points in NBA history sa time natin. Maswerte pa nga tau kaysa sa mga NBA fans dati dahil hindi nila na-record at na-televise ang 100pts ni Wilt, while yung 81pts ni kobe ay pinalabas pa ng live.

Haters will always find something to hate. If you score 81 pts in a game, it does'nt mean you are greater than MJ. So what is the insecurity all about? May kasabihan nga tayong mga pinoy, " Ang Punong Hitik Sa Bunga Ay Binabato". At sabi nga ng Tropical Dep, "Kung Kamalian ng Tao ang Iyong Hinahanap, Yun ang Iyong Makikita" hehe.

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2007, 10:04:20 am »
I would rather take MJ's 63-point performance against the Legendary Celtics (playoffs) and Lebron's Game 5  @ Pistons where his stats are 48 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts and 2 steals (playoffs) than Kobe's meaningless 81 garbage points and a whopping 2 asts in a regular season game against a garbage team.

The point is:

MJ and Lebron can score that much. And shoot better FG% against Ballhog.

Another thing is MJ and Lebron doesn't score in garbage time.

Watch the video again to see all Ballhog's garbage points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2hfr7OYqFA

If you could score 81 in a game, then why do need your teammates? If Kobe is your teammate, would you rather play with him? Or with Lebron?

Without Shaq, the only ring in Kobe's finger is his wedding ring. The 3 rings are for the big man, and not for his SIDEKICK.

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2007, 10:09:37 am »
I would rather take MJ's 63-point performance against the Legendary Celtics (playoffs) and Lebron's Game 5  @ Pistons where his stats are 48 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts and 2 steals (playoffs) than Kobe's meaningless 81 garbage points and a whopping 2 asts in a regular season game against a garbage team.

The point is:

MJ and Lebron can score that much. And shoot better FG% against Ballhog.

Another thing is MJ and Lebron doesn't score in garbage time.

Watch the video again to see all Ballhog's garbage points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2hfr7OYqFA

If you could score 81 in a game, then why do need your teammates? If Kobe is your teammate, would you rather play with him? Or with Lebron?

Without Shaq, the only ring in Kobe's finger is his wedding ring. The 3 rings are for the big man, and not for his SIDEKICK.

Pool, I just want to ask (and this is a bit off topic) why this much hatred for Kobe? Just a question... toast::
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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2007, 12:56:28 pm »


Pool, I just want to ask (and this is a bit off topic) why this much hatred for Kobe? Just a question... toast::

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2007, 01:39:20 pm »
TO POOL:
You call it trash? Napanood mo ba talaga? He single-handedly beat the raptors bec, his team8s can't shoot any basket. They are down in first 3 qtrs when he decided to score 55 in the 2nd half to give lakers the "W". Kung ikaw si kobe hihintayin mo pa ba na mag-init ang team8s mo bago ka gumawa ng paraan? Talagang malas sila Odom, Mihm, Smush, Kwame, etc.. nung gabing yun and i know it simply bec. na hindi talaga ganun ang laro nila in the previous games.

Do you consider the 62pts of kobe in 3 qrts against dallas still a trash? Kung trash yun eh anu pa yung 100pts ni WILT against the weak NEW YORK who played with them w/o their injured center who is assign to guard Wilt on that night?

Kobe will do everything to win. If it takes for him to score 50+ a night to win, he'll do it. If the team need him to just sit on the bench, wave towels and cheer for his team, hell do it. Kobe will always be kobe no matter what nobody says. As he said; he is hated & loved in exact same reasons. He is all about winning.

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2007, 01:45:32 pm »
What i mean is stats are just figures recorded on a players playing career but it does'nt show a players's worth. Try to figure this; Robert Horry is a cold blooded clutch shooter, back in L.A., remeber his winning shots against kings to put lakers in the western finals? The buzzer beater shot against pistons in NBA finals 2005?( at marami pang iba back in his houston career). But still he's just a role player. Does his stats shows it? I consider him as "GREAT P" bec. of his "WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK" attitude. Like Derek Fisher, many coaches said that they want to have Horry in their team. Do they look on stats? That's why we have to base it on QUOTES sometimes.

If kobe want's to achieve what MJ achieves, it is no surprise for the world in the reason that jordan is the basis of "GREATNESS". Kung may isang player sa NBA na gusto mong gayahin, higitan, or even pantayan man lang lahat nang nagawa nya, siguraguhin mo na si MJ na yun. All NBA players will agree to me.

Maybe kobe is not greater than MJ, maybe lebron is not either, maybe hindi pa nga pinapanganak yung player na yun, pero everybody knows & we know in ourselves too that someday NBA will have this player that will consider as GREATER than MJ. And when that time comes, new haters will born and a BIG DEBATE will happen again.

To sum this all up here how it goes;

MJ is the LEGEND, Kobe is the PRESENT, Lebron is the FUTURE(maybe..)

Sa lahat ng galit kay kobe, i know one day you will like him and appreciate what he is all about. And that will start on Beijing Olympics when we will all see how he will lead the USA dreamteam as the team's Captain to get tha Gold.

USA DREAMTEAM + KOBE - (KG,AI,DUNCAN,T-MAC,VC) = GOLD MEDAL
RP TEAM will get the SILVER ofcourse hehehe. PEACE OUT!!!


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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2007, 03:29:54 pm »
I just don't like Kobe the Ballhog. He thinks that he is entitled to be the 'next MJ'. He doesn't have his own style of playing ball. He got all his moves from MJ. All the mannerisms too.

My point in bashing Ballhog is this: Kobe is not a great basketball player. On and off the court. He is just a scorer. Kobe plays for stats and records. Lebron plays to win. And that's a fact.

And BADFISH, you are one of the Kobe lovers out there that I am going to prove that he's NOT a great basketball player and he can't be Mike. You can tell us all the quotes, the 81-point game, 4 straight 50+ point games, blah blah blah. But, is he really a winner? Is he really a leader? I don't care if you have the greatest talent in the world but if you don't have leadership, you can't be a winner. Don't start by telling me that he is a winner just because of the 3 rings (which belongs to Shaq).

This ladies and gentlemen, separates Kobe from MJ and Lebron and even Wade too. LEADERSHIP.

What I'm trying to say is MJ was more of a winner and made his teammates better. He represented what was right about the game of basketball. Kobe the Ballhog symbolizes all that is wrong about it.

And that is enough reason to hate Kobe Bryant.
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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2007, 04:09:56 pm »
well said Pool...i was just checking... toast::
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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2007, 02:30:27 am »
Here we go again. About the ballhog thing, kobe has all the reasons to ballhog. In the system of Phil Jackson (the triangle offense) 3 major players on the court has a licence to take shots. And if you are kobe, it's pretty obvious who will take shots. Does the lakers has anybody having the guts to take shots? Kwame "buttered finger" Brown can take shots? How abot Luke "The Inconsistent" Walton? Smush "The Casino Gumbler/ Late at Practice" Parker? Or Lamar "Half-Man Half-Injured" Odom? You get what i mean? Kobe has all the reasons to take shots. Despite this facts, still lakers surprised everybody na nakapasok sila sa play-offs (7th in the West).

Lebron is the real "Wanna Be Mike". Kaso hindi nya magagaya ang moves ni MJ dahil its difficult for a 6'8 forward to immitate the moves of a 6'6 guard. That's why jersey number na lang ang ginaya nya kay MJ.

Lebron is overrated. And he will realize it when finals begin. He will realize that he reach final simply bec. he defeat all the weaker teams in the Eastern Conference. Swerte pa nga sya na injured si Arenas & Butler during the Cavs vs. Wizards series dahil kung hindi malabo silang manalo (Jamison played comin' from injured also).This 2 guys are the 1st & 2nd leading scorers of Wizards.

Let's put Cavs in the West. Believe me they will never reach play-offs. Put Goldenstate in the East and they will become Eastern finals contender.

And you still saying Lebron is better than Kobe? try to explain this:

* "He's definitely the best player in the NBA -- to me. I don't know if winning the (MVP) award is important to him or not. But he has three (championship) rings and that's what it's all about." - LeBron James

source:  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant

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Para mas malinaw: Lebron is the KING, Kobe is the Emperor, MJ is GOD

When Beijing Olympics starts, we will all witness how Lebron will learn a lot from Kobe as he stand as the "sidekick" of Kobe.

Even Nike comercials shows who is better. You saw the Nike Ad? Yung naka white suit sila na parang pang astrounut kasama ang mga NBA all-stars na endorser ng NIke? Diba si Kobe ang nasa Center at sa left n'ya si Nash at rightside si Lebron. That means something and you have to admit it. How about the Nike Ad including all Nike athletes from tennis, marathon, weight lifting, etc... Malinaw naman kung sino ang mas maraming exposures at main cast ng comercial. Nike Co. knows who is better despite the fact na lately lang naging endorser si kobe ng Nike.

I just wonderin' why you hate kobe so much? Madaming pwede kaasaran sa NBA. Hate Carmoly bec. he acts like a child in the Madison Brawl, hate Sprewell for choking his coach, hate Bradley bec. he is "almost stupid" 7'6 center, hate Amaechi bec. he is gay. Do you get my point? Why are you so focused on hating Kobe? Are you an ex-Ostertag fan?

When Kobe scores 81 i got entertained, when AI breaks ankles, i got entertained, when KG slams in the face of his defender, i got entertained. So the thing is "Stop the Hate, Learn to Appreciate"

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2007, 11:18:39 am »
Here we go again. About the ballhog thing, kobe has all the reasons to ballhog. In the system of Phil Jackson (the triangle offense) 3 major players on the court has a licence to take shots. And if you are kobe, it's pretty obvious who will take shots. Does the lakers has anybody having the guts to take shots? Kwame "buttered finger" Brown can take shots? How abot Luke "The Inconsistent" Walton? Smush "The Casino Gumbler/ Late at Practice" Parker? Or Lamar "Half-Man Half-Injured" Odom? You get what i mean? Kobe has all the reasons to take shots. Despite this facts, still lakers surprised everybody na nakapasok sila sa play-offs (7th in the West).

Lebron is the real "Wanna Be Mike". Kaso hindi nya magagaya ang moves ni MJ dahil its difficult for a 6'8 forward to immitate the moves of a 6'6 guard. That's why jersey number na lang ang ginaya nya kay MJ.

Lebron is overrated. And he will realize it when finals begin. He will realize that he reach final simply bec. he defeat all the weaker teams in the Eastern Conference. Swerte pa nga sya na injured si Arenas & Butler during the Cavs vs. Wizards series dahil kung hindi malabo silang manalo (Jamison played comin' from injured also).This 2 guys are the 1st & 2nd leading scorers of Wizards.

Let's put Cavs in the West. Believe me they will never reach play-offs. Put Goldenstate in the East and they will become Eastern finals contender.

And you still saying Lebron is better than Kobe? try to explain this:

* "He's definitely the best player in the NBA -- to me. I don't know if winning the (MVP) award is important to him or not. But he has three (championship) rings and that's what it's all about." - LeBron James

source:  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant

Kung baga sa korte eh para kang Attorney na pilit pinagtatangol ang cliente mo kahit umamin na to' na guilty s'ya.

Para mas malinaw: Lebron is the KING, Kobe is the Emperor, MJ is GOD

When Beijing Olympics starts, we will all witness how Lebron will learn a lot from Kobe as he stand as the "sidekick" of Kobe.

Even Nike comercials shows who is better. You saw the Nike Ad? Yung naka white suit sila na parang pang astrounut kasama ang mga NBA all-stars na endorser ng NIke? Diba si Kobe ang nasa Center at sa left n'ya si Nash at rightside si Lebron. That means something and you have to admit it. How about the Nike Ad including all Nike athletes from tennis, marathon, weight lifting, etc... Malinaw naman kung sino ang mas maraming exposures at main cast ng comercial. Nike Co. knows who is better despite the fact na lately lang naging endorser si kobe ng Nike.

I just wonderin' why you hate kobe so much? Madaming pwede kaasaran sa NBA. Hate Carmoly bec. he acts like a child in the Madison Brawl, hate Sprewell for choking his coach, hate Bradley bec. he is "almost stupid" 7'6 center, hate Amaechi bec. he is gay. Do you get my point? Why are you so focused on hating Kobe? Are you an ex-Ostertag fan?

When Kobe scores 81 i got entertained, when AI breaks ankles, i got entertained, when KG slams in the face of his defender, i got entertained. So the thing is "Stop the Hate, Learn to Appreciate"


ok, let me step in between the both of you for a moment, BAD and Pool...obviously, both of you have your own bets on who is the next MJ in the sense of who is to carry the torch of the NBA and not to be MJ. But let me lay down a question, is there really a reason to hate a player? And yes BADFISH, reading from your passionate response above, you hate LeBron. However, no matter how both of you will put it, both players in this discussion are great players. Should you ask both of them, both Bryant and James will concurr that the other is one of the best in the league. So in reference to your quotation on James saying that Kobe is the best, there is no denying that he said that. But here is the thing, with the exception of Wilt Chamberlain, will any player say that he is the best in the NBA?

On Kobe being a ballhog. Yes, he is a ballhog. But let me try and see how both you guys see it. I believe Pool sees it more from when Kobe was still with a better Lakers team. BAD, you have to admit that even then, Kobe is already a ballhog. Even the great Karl Malone stepped aside knowing that Kobe can score for the team eventhough he is a ballhog. On the other hand, BAD, you see it from the seasons when Lakers went Shaq-less. There you made a strong point, he ballhogs to carry the team. In Kobe's defense, Pool, he did try to make plays for his team. However, his team never rises to the occasion. But in the end, a ballhog is a ballhog no matter how you see it. And yes, to some MJ detractors out there, I concede that MJ is a ballhog too. But that's a different debate altogether.

Now, LeBron being overrated. Pool, have shown much love for LBJ23's game. He has provided us with the stats to prove his point. And I agree; LeBron is a great player. And I am sorry BAD, but I would like to disagree with your comment that LeBron is an over-hyped player. True, that I did think of this too when he entered the league. But after last year's MVP performance coupled with this year's MVP performance, you have to concede to the fact that LeBron is not just the hype and that he is the real deal. If you will compare LeBron's Cavs and Kobe's Lakers, the cast of characters around them are not that much different. Although I admit that LeBron has a bit of an advantage with his team's roster. But, both teams are nothing but LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. You can almost neglect James' advantage in his team when compared to the Lakers. Now, what is the point of this comparison? Well, to simply point out that your argument for Kobe for being a great player should be the same for LeBron. After all, LeBron did bring the Cavs to the Finals.

BAD, you also mentioned that LeBron defeated the weaker Eastern teams. I will grant to you the win over the Wizards as a walk-in-the-park type of thing. But the Nets and the Pistons can defeat any team on either conferences on any given night. The Nets, especially the Pistons, are not push-over teams. Both are good teams. So you have to give credit to the Cavs, especially LeBron, for beating both teams in six games each. So even if he loses in the Finals, which I believe it to be but I can be wrong, this will not even hint that he is nothing but hype. He brought his team to the Finals. And not just any Finals, but the NBA Finals.

Olympics. There is no doubt that LeBron will learn from Kobe. Why? Kobe is a seasoned veteran of 11 years and LeBron is just like a new born baby trotting in the NBA with his four years experience. I don't think that should be used against LeBron. It's simply about who came first and has the most experience. That's all.

On the Warriors. I have to disagree that if you put Golden State in the East it's an instant Eastern contender. As good as the Warriors has become, you still have to prove to me that they will defeat the Heats, the Pistons, the Bulls, the Cavs, and the Nets of the eastern conference night in and night out. But the thing is you can't. I do respect your opinion, but face it, they are a good team but their speed cannot match the bruising way of play that the East has always been known for. Remember, the glamour of NBA is in the West. But the blue-collar type of play resides in the East.

In summing up, there is no reason to hate any player, but then again, it is anyone's preference. But in the end, we are to benefit from how they play on the court. We are simply being entertained. Both Kobe and LeBron are great players who lead their teams in every way they can, and both should be credited for that. But let's face it, neither players do not want the burden of becoming the next MJ. MJ is an act that is too hard to follow. However, comparisons will always stay especially for Kobe as I've reasoned in my other reply. LeBron will never play like Mike. He isn't even trying to be like Mike. The number 23 that he uses, yes, he uses it because MJ is his idol. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. To think that a player wears his/her idol's jersey number means he is trying to be the idol is purely (and I am sorry for this) immature. But following your logic, isn't Kobe's #24 (Lakers) and #10 (Olympics) showing his want to exceed MJ (MJ had Bulls #23 and Olympics #9)? Nonetheless, to me Kobe is still the best player in the NBA, for now. But LeBron is a great player you cannot overlook. He can surpass Kobe. If Kobe's act does not change, then this IS his peak. LeBron is yet to peak. Both men are destined for basketball greatness. But one will surely shine over the other. Right now it's Kobe. We then have to see if he retains it.

And, one more thing BAD, why did you mention this?

"Madaming pwede kaasaran sa NBA...hate Amaechi bec. he is gay."

dude, seriously, in all due respect, this is a remark that is improper, discriminating, and ignorant...if you didn't mean it and meant it just an example, why even use it?

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2007, 01:15:06 pm »




And, one more thing BAD, why did you mention this?

"Madaming pwede kaasaran sa NBA...hate Amaechi bec. he is gay."

dude, seriously, in all due respect, this is a remark that is improper, discriminating, and ignorant...if you didn't mean it and meant it just an example, why even use it?

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Ok. Sa totoo lang i didn't really mean to say this. Ginamit ko lang ang mga bagay na to para sa mga reactions ni Pool. What i mean is if he hate the simple 81pts of kobe, what more sa mga NBA issues na gaya nito? And it's proven na he really focused on hating kobe.

About LBJ, honestly i don't hate him. But i'm not a fan either. It just happen na im a kobe fan and this topic is about his 81pts. I like kobe as much as i like Gordon and D. Howard. If somebody says negative about Gordon & Howard, gaya ng ginagawa ko'ng pagtanggol kay Kobe, i'll do the same to Ben & Dwight, but that will be off the topic.




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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2007, 10:22:29 pm »
1. Is Kobe this good at the age of 22? Lebron is light years ahead of Ballhog when he was shooting airballs at the Playoffs against Utah.

2. Lebron does not want to be like Mike. He is the first Lebron. Just look at his style. But comparing the style of Kobe, whoa dude. He got all those moves from MJ. The camera antics, the toungue-wagging, the armband, the way he wears towels on the bench, his tucked-in shirt and jogging pants while at practice, and a lot more. Tell me, who really wants to be 'Like Mike?'





3. Do you think Kobe believes in his teammates? How about Lebron? He loves his players and treats them right. Have you seen the video I posted that features Kobe throwing an elbow to Vujacic because of frustration? Do you think Lebron would do that to Gibson? C'mon guys, Kobe's a dick for doing that kind of thing to his teammates. Just another reason to hate Ballhog.

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4. Kobe's a ballhog. Do I need to say more?



5. Trivia: Phil Jackson told in his book that he has/had a player who is 'uncoachable.' Who is this guy? Do you think it is MJ? What a loser.



6. Karl Malone didn't have any championship rings. You wanna know why? Just ask the Ballhog who didn't make it happen for the mailman. And speaking of Malone, I believe that he was accused of 'hidden desire' for Kobe's wife. Such a dickhead.





7. The Lakers now are in trouble. "Trade me? Trade me not. Trade me? Trade me not." What a fag. After all the Lakers have given to ballhog, is this the way he returns the favor?



8. About Lebron telling Kobe is the best in the league right now, it only shows his humility. He knows that he is this damn good and that is why he doesn't need to show off like the Rapist.



9. Olympics? Kobe? Just look at the All-Star games. Kobe wants every possession to show off. Team USA needs teamwork, and not a faggot. Kobe Bryant is the only player in NBA history to be booed at an All-Star game. Search YouTube. Here are the tags: kobe bryant booed all-star game philadelphia ballhog rapist

10. Another information for you guys, did you know that Kobe Bryant, is only shooting less than 50% most of his games? If you shoot a lot, you score a lot. That's it. But MJ shoots a lot and gets better FG% than the Black Mamba Monkey.



11. About Nike, Kobe is lucky that he was signed by the brand. Just look at his reputation. That is why adidas and other companies dropped Kobe as their endorser. On the AF25 Second Coming commercial, Kobe took the spotlight from Lebron. Because this is only the time where he can shine brighter than the 'Chosen One.' Do you think Nike will put a 120-foot-high banner of Kobe Bryant? We are all witnesses.



12. Speaking of spotlight, did you know that Lebron is 2-0 against Kobe this season? He dominated the Ballhog and showed him how to play TEAM BASKETBALL.



13. Another thing, did you also know that the 'youngest ever' records of Kobe Bryant are being surpassed now by Lebron? Wow. That's what I call a good basketball player. You call that overrated?



14. And for the my last point, even though there are a million reasons to hate Kobe, remember this: Kobe can't and will not surpass MJ. But Lebron can and will surpass Kobe. I guarantee that.

I think this debate is over because Kobe + Kobe lovers have just been OWNED by Lebron and MJ and the haters.





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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2007, 03:18:13 am »
Do u really know what are you saying dude? Lebron is better than kobe when kobe is 22? Ofcourse, he should. Lebron is 1st overall draft, kobe at the age of 22 has already a championship ring. He entered the league at the age of 18, what do you expect him to do? At the age of 22, he only played in an average of 32 mins. per game, while LBJ played an average of 46 mins. So dapat lang na maraming magawa si lebron para sa team nya. When LBJ joined the CAvs, he is already in the 1st five, who was their? When kobe joined the LA, there are a lot of stars on the team (shaq, vanexel, e. jones, harper, horry, fox). Pero despite this, it only took a year para makasama sya sa all-star (the youngest player aver played in all-star game).

About the booing incident in all-star. I'm sure you know this dude. He is booed bec. it happens in Phila (A.I hometown). You know the Kobe vs. A.I. feud? It's written on all amrica's newspaper kung anu nangyari a week before the NBA all-star game. A lot of reports said that kobe travel to Phila just to have a fight with A.I. Pero hindi natuloy dahil nakaresponde daw agad ang Phila police Dept. The reports also told that A.I. brings his gang and guns as well as Kobe did.
This is the reason why he is booed. The good thing is nag-ayos din sila agad a day after the incident.Pero si Kobe parin ang naging All-star MVP diba?

All the negative images and clips you post about kobe like ballhoggin, the Malone thing, the wearing of MJ's jersey, etc... are just poor black pro from the haters. Does a small video clip tells the whole story? Wearing MJ's jersey doesn't mean he wants to be mike. If Kobe has ruin the Lakers, why the team don't want him to be traded?

Lebron a team player? What happen to the 2006 NBA all-star? You saw it ofcourse. Binakaw ni Lebron ang bola kaya siya naging MVP. How about when Lebron is one of the 3 captains of the USA dreamteam? Diba buwaya rin sya dun? Instead of passing the ball to the lowpost (Howard, Brand, Amare, Boozer), he keeps on shooting 3's na hindi naman pumapasok. Gusto nya kasing makipag sabayan ng 3's sa mga europians, but he is just the "KING NOTHING" James. Do it look leadership?

Kobe will never be traded. That's for sure. Hindi siya mapupunta sa East so no need for you to panic. The Lakers want him to retire in Laker's uniform.
For an NBA player to have a high salary and assurance of not to be traded, you have to do atleast this two things:

First you need to give the team a championship, Second, you need to excite the fans each game. Duncan gave the spurs the rings, Carter entertain fans, Kobe does both.



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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2007, 03:22:36 am »
Pahabol lang. FYI:

Yes Kobe is booed in Phila, but you saw when he played against the Celtics? The Boston people chants " MVP! " for him. Boston is the long time rival of Lakers. That's all.

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« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2007, 01:43:04 pm »
 laffman:: there is no stopping this...and you guys are really entertaining. but I have something to say too...

On the matter of "the youngest ever to..." in the NBA. Do you really think that is a fair category when most players before hand went to college first before going into the NBA? Ok, I admit, it's not the players-who-jumped-from-HS's fault. But this discredits the players who didn't jump from HS. So I say, shouldn't the distinction be about who reached what first in how many games? Like, who scored more points in fewest games, catch my drift? But then again, this too is debatable with the rule changes in the NBA. But I think it's better than who did what the youngest.

But on the Kobe-LeBron issue, I guess you can compare them at age 22 since they did go straight from HS. And as Pool showed: advantage LeBron. Here's the thing, LeBron entered the NBA with the maturity of a veteran. He knew what was expected of him and that's where he had the advantage over Kobe. With that in mind, he adjust quickly and learn quickly. Kobe on the other hand was still all about his personal accolades. Unfortunately, Kobe took (for some, is still taking) some time to mature. Not to mention winning those three rings (courtesy of Shaq), in my opinion, did not help Kobe in reaching his maturity as fast as he could. His hunger for the ring was lost and is now just coming back. With much hunger a person's maturity can be exponentiated.

Now, on being on the starting five of the team. Being on the bench or the starting five will only show one thing. If you are very valuable to the team, you belong on the first five. If not so, then you will be benched. Does this mean anything in comparison to any player in the NBA? I don't think so. This shouldn't be used as a comparison. A player's value to a team varies for every team, especially when they are barely getting in the NBA. Ofcourse their values increase along the way to the point where their value is NBA-wide.

Since we are on player values, sorry BAD, but being drafted #1 does not at all mean you are supposed to be better that any lower draft picks from any year. Remember in the '84 draft when the #3 pick became arguably the greatest when the #2 pick was no where to be found after a few years? And that was in the same year. Pick Ginobili, he was a sleeper in the draft, but he sure is a lot better than most of the higher picks. Take Kwame Brown. As big a potential he is, he still hasn't excelled. So point is, James being drafted #1 in '03 does not mean that he should be better than Bryant who was drafted #13 in '96.

I do not hate Kobe, BAD, but what Pool showed were not black propaganda. They were nothing but facts. Black propagandas are of false nature, these are not. The  Malone thing, it was real wasn't it? He did lose the championship because of the qualms and quarrels of Kobe and Shaq. Who's mainly at fault, who cares. But Kobe was a part of it. Kobe a ballhog? Yes, he is. We went over that already. Despite of his reasons, as noble as they are, it is still ballhogging. Should it be taken against him? I think not. But it is still what it is. Now, Kobe want to be like Mike. BADFISH, please wake up and smell the coffee. Kobe is the complete understudy of Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Their moves are errily similar on and off the court. TRIVIA: When Kobe wanted to develop his flexibility, he called MJ and asked how. MJ told him to take private ballet dance classes, as he himself did.

LeBron a ballhog? Yes he is too. He's been showing that since HS as what most offensive players do. All great offensive players are ballhogs because it is what is needed of them. But what separates the great offensive threats from the great players is knowing when to give up the ball and make everyone around him better. James is getting there slowly. Kobe needs a bit more time and better teammates who will step-up voluntarily so he can establish himself as a great over-all player.

Again, both players are destined for greatness. Some will hate them, some will love them. But that's what makes NBA fun to watch right? All the drama and the comparisons that will never end makes up the color of what NBA is and will be.  toast::
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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2007, 02:43:31 pm »
1. It's final. Lebron over Kobe at the age of 22. No need to argue that. And since you mentioned Van Exel and company, did you know that every time Kobe shows off his skills (dunking during a fast break), all of his teammates are not the excited about the play at all? This shows that they are completely disgusted of the Ballhog.

2. On the 2002 All-Star game. Wow! This is exclusive news from you! NBA players with guns? Hahaha. All the while you think that the reason why Kobe was booed because of Kobe vs. AI fight? The main reason is this: When the Lakers and Philly met at the NBA Finals, Kobe said a lot of bad things to the city.

Boo birds hurt Kobe's feelings in MVP performance
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I was pretty upset. Pretty hurt," Bryant said. "I just wanted to go out there and just play. Just play hard. I can just look at them being just diehard Sixers fans, I guess, being loyal to their team," he added.

This wasn't the first time Bryant found himself cast as public enemy No. 1 in Philly. He experienced the same unhospitality when his Los Angeles Lakers swept through town and blew away the 76ers in five games for their second straight NBA title last June.

During the finals, Bryant's comments that he was an L.A. guy were much publicized and drew the ire of Philly fans. Still, Bryant was mystified why he was mistreated on Sunday.



3. All the images and video clips I posted are facts. These are nothing but the truth. Photoshop? I guess not.

4. On trading Kobe, you are asking me why the Lakers won't trade him? For one reason: money. All the VIPs, celebrities and the like are paying a lot of money to watch Laker games. Think about it. It's like a circus show with a talking monkey. If you wanna see the monkey, you gotta pay a lot.

And, I won't panic if the Ballhog comes to the East. This will be an exciting match-up against Lebron and Wade for the Eastern Conference supremacy.

5. Kobe? Doesn't want to be like Mike? C'mon. I think you are pretty smart enough to think that the only one who wants to be MJ is Kobe. There are a lot of similiarities on both of them than differences.

6. 2006 All-Star game. Yes, Lebron won the MVP but was he booed? Haha. I don't think so. That MVP of Lebron was one of the things motivated Ballhog to win the 2007 All-Star MVP. He was determined to win it because he can't accept that Lebron beat him. And his Lakers were beaten by the Cavs days before the All-Star break.

7. Lebron the ballhog? Yes he is a ballhog. But, and it is a big BUT, his mentality is PASS FIRST. He is willingly passing the ball to his teammates. Does Kobe do that? Here's the play: Inbounds pass to Kobe, dribbles into the midcourt, drives then pulls up for the jumper with a defender over him. The result? CLANG! He misses the shot without rotating the ball. Wow. Talk about ballhog with low FG% and a poor passer. Who would you rather choose as a teammate? Lebron the ballhog with a pass first mentality? Or Kobe the ballhog with shoot first pass later mentality? Who's the better ballhog now? Who makes his teammates look better?

8. Did you know that in the 2007 NBA All-Star Skills Challenge, Kobe needed several passes (chest pass and bounce pass) inside a hoop to finish the skills challenge? I think it was about 10-20 tries. Wow. He should practice more on passing than shooting.

9. Never question King James' LEADERSHIP. Does Kobe know how to be a leader of a team? Not without Shaq! KOBE CAN'T BE A LEADER. BUT HE CAN BE A GOOD SIDEKICK.

10. I'm getting tired of this debate because we all know that Lebron owns Kobe. And BIGFISH's statements are not facts and are completely unacceptable. Just compare my statements to his. All I have written are nothing but facts. I guess his replies just wants to protect, serve and love the Rapist.

By the way, does anyone wants to be a basketball fan/lover of a Rapist?

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2007, 03:27:07 pm »
kobe's championship ring at 22 is because of shaq...

it doesn't matter how many rings kobe has... he still sucks...

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2007, 10:38:52 am »

8. Did you know that in the 2007 NBA All-Star Skills Challenge, Kobe needed several passes (chest pass and bounce pass) inside a hoop to finish the skills challenge? I think it was about 10-20 tries. Wow. He should practice more on passing than shooting.


Dude, I swear, I was watching this while bursting into laughters and being ashamed for Kobe at the same time...it was one of those weird feelings...Again, I do not hate Kobe, but all the while I was thinking "What the hell was Kobe thinking joining this event. He has no business to be in it..."  toast::
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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2007, 10:32:13 pm »
Yup. It was definitely a proof of his very poor passing skills.

Wait for my videos about MJ, Lebron and Kobe. I'm planning to upload it in YouTube for all rapist fans and lovers.

Speaking of rapist fans and lovers, where is BADFISH? I guess he is trashing Lebron on the other thread about the finals. Why don't you trash him here and show to espiya that your idol, your basketball god (god of ballhogs), is nothing but a black monkey who loves white girls?
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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2007, 12:00:59 am »
about the 81 point game... it isn't something extraordinary... have you forgotten that he is a ballhog?  81 points from a ballhog isn't special...

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2007, 12:09:45 am »
about the 81 point game... it isn't something extraordinary... have you forgotten that he is a ballhog?  81 points from a ballhog isn't special...

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Re: Kobe Bryant's 81 point game
« Reply #73 on: June 16, 2007, 11:14:26 pm »
To the mods,

Please move this topic to Sports Bar.

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