What has Duterte got to do with this? I didnt even mention his name.. The issue here is the apparent request of Cory for airstrikes against "filipinos" and people making a fuss out of it.. During that time, its well documented that the PAF conducted airstrikes against the rebels and even up to now the PAF still regularly conducts airstrikes against "filipinos". It was never an issue before then why is it an issue now? So I ask you again. What is all the fuss about? You say airstrikes are bad in general. Should we stop providing air support for our troops then?
EJK a non issue before? Have you been living under a rock? Need I remind you the reason why Marcos and the Martial Law era was condemned? Its because of the atrocities of that time and EJK is a big part of it. Ever heard of the guy that goes by the name of Jovito Palparan and how many times he was condemened and criticized? Yes EJK has been around for a long time and pepole have been taking a stand against it for just as long. The difference now is we have a president who openly support it under the guise of "nanlaban". Now they have the perfect excuse why a "SUSPECT" got killed. Because "NANLABAN".
And speaking of abuses. Do you have any data showing how many civillians have been killed by airstrikes in our country for you to say its bad? Was there any event that a rouge pilot comandeered his aircraft and used it to drop a bomb on someone? Has there ever been an event where members of the 15th Strike Wing used their positions, assets and capabilities to extort/exploit?
I was relating your stand on duterte so forgive me for bringing it up i just find it hypocritical of you asking what the fuss is about with a possible air strike. YOu were saying on several threads that his methods are unacceptable to you because it comes with the expense of innocents. But with what you are saying now airstrike is fine and good so...yeah airstrike is good because its against rebels anyways and killing through gun fights is bad kasi maraming nadadamay... wow ha. Mas accurate na pala ngayon ang airstrike to be warranted as NOT BAD.
ALSO, I was referring the NON ISSUE to which police operations usually comes with collateral damages and possible deaths before, not EJK. Dont mix them up.
So id reference you again, you ask if we should stop supporting air support because airstrike is not bad and has been happening before already. how about ask if we should stop supporting our police for doing their job too?
Since when did duterte sponsors ejk again? Yours and the other anti admins' concept of ejk is twisted. You are basing your ejk concept on ISOLATED INCIDENTS of the bad cops who are possibly related or even disguised individuals to cover up their own track with drugs. You know the numbers already no one disputes over it even those who are against the admin. Their best argument on it is "the numbers are fabricated" theory. This is no longer an issue you are just fixated that there is indeed an imaginary EJK order which kudos to LP well atleast those vocal to it(ie de lima, trillanes) has successfully implanted in your mind.
Duterte orders to kill them IF they fight back nothing more nothing less. pls watch all his speeches and show me one proof of him saying KILL THEM without an IF clause. That is already accepted response why else would police even carry guns? just to disable really? Good luck to the police targetting their limbs while they are being targetted to the head or heart by the criminals.
Abuses of airstrike In our country not really, and i dont want to research about it to show proof but in other countries who have airstrikes do, perhaps watch world news too so youd get the idea how bad it is because it seems you are the one living under a rock safe and sound from the outside if you can just laugh it off. Also, can you guarantee though that there has been no collateral damages on those many times you claimed happened?
Is the Philippines so special that we are going to avoid the same scenario as the other countries? Dont kid yourself that we are so on point and orderly na ang matatamaan lang ang intended targets even if you say they made safety precautions.
You are assuming that airstrikes will always come with civilian casualties. Pilots and military commanders can always call it off if risk of civilian casualty is identified. The report did not say Cory asked for an airstrike while totally ignoring risks of civilian casualties.
- Zornhau
Of course we have to assume the worst. Thats why US called it off right? They dont want to risk killing innocents. Tigerwing said so himself i dont know why he has the audacity to claim why its not a problem or not bad whatever term you prefer...
How can you say its EJK when its clearly against armed rebels. Its not illegal to kill armed and dangerous criminals. You can question those air strikes against them if you can prove that they werent a threat to anyone or if they cant prove that they were.
And yes the correct way of dealing with" law breakers/criminals " is to arrest them if they were not posing as a threat to the police(Not armed and dangerous). And its CHR's job to question these killings and find out if they really were "Nanlaban".
I really can't comprehend how you can compare drug dealers living in slums to those that were clearly funded terrorist groups. The asg has m16, m14, m203, etc and those EJK victims at most has what? a planted pistol from Lanao?
They are all criminals. Napatunayan naman sa KARAMIHAN na addict nga or pusher yung napatay. And yes the all holy and righteous CHR as well have confirmed MOST are legit operations kaya nga walang nagdidispute ng numbers when it comes to statistics. Why are you so fixated na karamiha dun planted or inosente?
You just answered your own question. "Its not illegal to kill armed and dangerous criminals". So where is EJK sa legit police operations ng anti drugs? Again just like all that are so against admin. You are fixated on ISOLATED incidents which i have explained above.
So carrying a mere pistol is not considered armed and dangerous? Sure pistols can be owned with permit (pretty sure some have none) but the fact that they are using it against law enforcement is already a crime. What cant you comprehend? Drug pushers/addicts are not criminals? What am i missing here? Kasi mas delikado sila dahil malakas ang armas? They all fall under the same category: criminals.