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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2016, 02:24:31 am »
Darating din ang araw na malaya ka nang makakapaglakad sa labas na walang takot. Tulad dito sa davao. Matagal na naming tinatamasa ang katahimikan at kaayusan dito. Our beloved President is giving us all filipinos the Davao life.

aanhin pa ang damo kung nagbabato na ang kabayo?

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2016, 03:34:45 pm »
di ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit may mga haters pa rin si Pres. Duterte pero its about time na rin na baguhin ang systema lalo na systeman ng due process.. bigyan ng pagkakataon magbago or kung ayaw pa rin magbago, patayin na lang, di rin naman magkakasya sa loob ng kulungan o rehab kesa dumami pa ang buhay na masisira sa droga...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2016, 06:06:34 pm »
di ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit may mga haters pa rin si Pres. Duterte pero its about time na rin na baguhin ang systema lalo na systeman ng due process.. bigyan ng pagkakataon magbago or kung ayaw pa rin magbago, patayin na lang, di rin naman magkakasya sa loob ng kulungan o rehab kesa dumami pa ang buhay na masisira sa droga...


Kung talagang nanlaban then no problem. Thing is, you can kill every single drug user/pusher out there but as long as the root cause of the problem is there, and the reason as to why those people turn to drugs remains, there will always be new users and there will alway be addicts. And as long as there is a demand, there will always be a supply in one way or another. Even if the current administration somehow manage to do the imposible task of eliminating all the supply, those "users" would simply shift to a different substance. Whats next? War on alcohol? War on rugby?

Eliminating the users/pusher is a superficial solution.
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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2016, 10:42:49 pm »
Problem is they can't even take a single scratch on big fishes. I Have a feeling this is a reverse psychology. Kill all the weak, Preserve "some" of the Big Bosses that have the capacity to penetrate your ground, so no Big Bosses will try to penetrate your ground. By letting some enemy of the Big bosses be sacrifice. After the term, You will have flying colors. And then story goes on and on. It Will start all over again.

Example: Let's see if someone from Pampanga will be punished. That will be a different story.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2016, 12:53:56 am »
Puro mahihirap ang pinapatay, at anti poor ang war on drugs.

Namatay si Jaguar (seen zoned), namatay si Dragon (pakana ng administrasyon). Nacocorner na si Delima (Misogynist, every woman's right).

Mga against: Diktador ka Duterte, Hitler ka.
Noynoy: Tandaan natin kung paano naluklok sa kapangyarihan si Hitler
Duterte: Di naman ako Hitler. Kelan pa bawal sa batas ang takutin ang kriminal?
Mga against: Hitler ka, pinapatay mo mga pilipino.
Duterte: O sige, ako na si Hitler, willing ko patayin mga adik.
Mga against: Anong klaseng presidente, kinukumpara sarili kay Hitler. Sumbong tayo sa Germany.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2016, 02:41:58 pm »
 ::thanksforhelp
di ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit may mga haters pa rin si Pres. Duterte pero its about time na rin na baguhin ang systema lalo na systeman ng due process.. bigyan ng pagkakataon magbago or kung ayaw pa rin magbago, patayin na lang, di rin naman magkakasya sa loob ng kulungan o rehab kesa dumami pa ang buhay na masisira sa droga...

Manood ka kasi nang tv o makinig nang radyo o kaya magbasa nang newspaper. Ang dami dami nang napapatay nang pulis na wala namang mga armas. Yung mga pinapatay na lang kahit sumusuko na tapos isesetup na lang na kunyari nang laban. Alam mo ba yung about dun sa OFW na pinatay nung 3 pulis? Kunyari papalabasin sanang vigilante yung tumira pero kung di pa nakunan nang CCTV di pa mabibisto na mga pulis talaga? At higit sa lahat lahat nung libo libong namatay mga small time lang at karamihan mga user na sumuko na o nagpalista sa BGY kaya nasama yung pangalan nila sa listhan. Pero pano yung mga bigtime? Yung mga bigtime may dues process kasi may mga pera.

Puro mahihirap ang pinapatay, at anti poor ang war on drugs.

Namatay si Jaguar (seen zoned), namatay si Dragon (pakana ng administrasyon). Nacocorner na si Delima (Misogynist, every woman's right).

Mga against: Diktador ka Duterte, Hitler ka.
Noynoy: Tandaan natin kung paano naluklok sa kapangyarihan si Hitler
Duterte: Di naman ako Hitler. Kelan pa bawal sa batas ang takutin ang kriminal?
Mga against: Hitler ka, pinapatay mo mga pilipino.
Duterte: O sige, ako na si Hitler, willing ko patayin mga adik.
Mga against: Anong klaseng presidente, kinukumpara sarili kay Hitler. Sumbong tayo sa Germany.

Explain ko sayo nang simple. Galit ang international community dahil sa paralellism. Kasi nung kinumpara ni Duterte yung pagpatay nya sa mga drug adict sa holocaust e para na rin nyang sinabing justified o may magandang naidulot yung holocaust. Ano ba kasalanan nung mga Jew dati?



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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2016, 11:25:39 pm »
3000+ killed drug related from police operations and by vigilantes...
600,000 drug users surrendered that are still alive and waiting rehab...
and yet it seem easy for people to believe he will kill all drug users...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2016, 03:29:08 am »
Explain ko sayo nang simple. Galit ang international community dahil sa paralellism. Kasi nung kinumpara ni Duterte yung pagpatay nya sa mga drug adict sa holocaust e para na rin nyang sinabing justified o may magandang naidulot yung holocaust. Ano ba kasalanan nung mga Jew dati?

Explain ko sayo ng mas simple, nung si Noynoy ang nagcocompare ng holocaust sa pagpatay ng addict bakit walang outcry ang international community? For a simple reason na media sensationalism of Duterte during the campaign will further catapult him to office. Also, did they even bother to listen to the entire speech o sa Soundbytes lang nagrely ng kanilang information?

I believe Duterte should apologize to the Jews by the way, but the global outcry now? nuh!!! File a case on the international court already.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2016, 08:33:07 am »
i think he already did apologize to the jew community regarding his remarks... as always, he should think his words over and over before saying them... that is one area i think he should really change...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2016, 10:05:45 am »

Kung talagang nanlaban then no problem. Thing is, you can kill every single drug user/pusher out there but as long as the root cause of the problem is there, and the reason as to why those people turn to drugs remains, there will always be new users and there will alway be addicts. And as long as there is a demand, there will always be a supply in one way or another. Even if the current administration somehow manage to do the imposible task of eliminating all the supply, those "users" would simply shift to a different substance. Whats next? War on alcohol? War on rugby?

Eliminating the users/pusher is a superficial solution.

Cant link the source pero inexplain na nila Bato how theyll catch the big time drug pushers. Yung mga small time na pusher/adik ang nasa labas, walang big time na pusher ang magririsk na sya mismo ang magbebenta. So paano mo maaabot ang mga higher ups? Dun sa mga nauutusan nila sa baba. Pag wala na sila mauutusan dun sila mahuhuli kasi kelangan nilang bumaba at lumabas para maghanap ng mga bagong magagamit na tao. Logical naman diba? Well atleast for me...

Also sa insuation mo pala sir, walang solution na pala droga ever, since magproproliferate parin kahit mabawasan. Hindi naman ata tama yun. Syempre kahit papano dapat may gawin. And although not the best solution, ang current admin na ata ang may pinaka may nagawa against drugs. Results are there, may negative perception lang lang kasi may mga incidents na may mga inosenteng nadadamay at may mga ejk kuno. (Di naman siguro ganun katanga mga pulis para magiwan ng calling card ie mga karatula na nagsasabing adik ako, sa mga napapatay most likely mga konektado sa mga pusher ang mga gumawa nun kaya pinuputol lang yung link).

Ano po ba suggestion niyo na mas maganda gawin ng admin ngayon to stop drugs? Natanong kona sa lahat ng anti-duterte yan e ang sagot lang lagi, "basta hindi yung pamamaraan ni duterte na laging may namamatay" or "madadaan naman sa walang dahas" or something to that effect both of which not really solutions. 

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2016, 10:16:27 am »
Explain ko sayo ng mas simple, nung si Noynoy ang nagcocompare ng holocaust sa pagpatay ng addict bakit walang outcry ang international community? For a simple reason na media sensationalism of Duterte during the campaign will further catapult him to office. Also, did they even bother to listen to the entire speech o sa Soundbytes lang nagrely ng kanilang information?

I believe Duterte should apologize to the Jews by the way, but the global outcry now? nuh!!! File a case on the international court already.

Ikaw ata yung nakinig sa soundbytes lang e. Different context yung kay Noynoy and Duterte. Besides kahit pareho pa sila nang ibig sabihin, which is not the case, kaya magnified yung global outrage e dahil namumuro na si Duterte. 3 months na syang nangtratrashtalk so syempre mas pagfiefiestahan sya. Kahit yung mga sensible supporters nga ni Duterte alam na mali din sya and nagsorry na. Yung mga fanatic na lang talaga yung hindi kayang abutin nang sense.


Cant link the source pero inexplain na nila Bato how theyll catch the big time drug pushers. Yung mga small time na pusher/adik ang nasa labas, walang big time na pusher ang magririsk na sya mismo ang magbebenta. So paano mo maaabot ang mga higher ups? Dun sa mga nauutusan nila sa baba. Pag wala na sila mauutusan dun sila mahuhuli kasi kelangan nilang bumaba at lumabas para maghanap ng mga bagong magagamit na tao. Logical naman diba? Well atleast for me...

May sense naman tong strategy na to e. It's actually good. Ang tanong lang, laging nagyayabang yung presidente na may listahan na sya nung mga "druglord' so bakit di nila puntahan yung mga yun at paghuhulihin o pagpapatayin? Dahil sa due process? E bat yung mga grunts na pusher o yung mga tamang adik lang walang due process pero yung mga mataas ang social standing meron. Double standards? Si Peter Lim bakit hindi ikulong, diba nasa watchlist sya? Dahil walang evidence? Due process? Pero yung mga grunts sa watchlist patay agad dahil nasa listahan lang?


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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2016, 10:16:51 am »
::thanksforhelp
Manood ka kasi nang tv o makinig nang radyo o kaya magbasa nang newspaper. Ang dami dami nang napapatay nang pulis na wala namang mga armas. Yung mga pinapatay na lang kahit sumusuko na tapos isesetup na lang na kunyari nang laban. Alam mo ba yung about dun sa OFW na pinatay nung 3 pulis? Kunyari papalabasin sanang vigilante yung tumira pero kung di pa nakunan nang CCTV di pa mabibisto na mga pulis talaga? At higit sa lahat lahat nung libo libong namatay mga small time lang at karamihan mga user na sumuko na o nagpalista sa BGY kaya nasama yung pangalan nila sa listhan. Pero pano yung mga bigtime? Yung mga bigtime may dues process kasi may mga pera.

Explain ko sayo nang simple. Galit ang international community dahil sa paralellism. Kasi nung kinumpara ni Duterte yung pagpatay nya sa mga drug adict sa holocaust e para na rin nyang sinabing justified o may magandang naidulot yung holocaust. Ano ba kasalanan nung mga Jew dati?

Tama ka naman pare may mga pulis talagang nangaabuso at nagsesetup lang, hindi naman bago yun e. Pero honestly ba tingin mo lahat ng pulis ganun? Kasi if thats the case kahit sino pa nakaupo mangyayari at mangyayari pa rin yan.

Also kung napanood mo yung 2nd senate hearing ata about ejk inimbestigahan na ng pnp mga tao nila at sinampahan na ng kaso yung mga napatunayan nagmurder lang. So sana take the issue as case by case basis hindi porket may pulis na masama lahat na ganun. May mga oportunista lang talaga na ginagamit ang war of drugs para makalusot sa mga kalokohan.

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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2016, 10:29:39 am »
Yup I believe na as with everything case by case naman talaga at naniniwala naman ako na seryoso yung top brass nang PNP ngayon na linisin yung ranks nila. Ang point ko lang dito e dahil sa standing order ni Duterte e mas lumalaki yung chance nung mga corrupt na police samantalahin yung pagkakataon. In effect mas madaming inosente ang napapatay under the cover of War on Drugs. There are 2 kinds of victims here. Yung mga adik na gusto na talagang magbago at nagpalista dun sa mga baranggay o munisipyo, at yung mga inosente talaga na inapalabas na lang na drug adik. So basically kung hindi ganun ka aggressive yung stance ni Duterte at idahan dahan nya nang konti to account for due process e mas makakapag lagay sila nang measures that would prevent killing of innocents.

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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2016, 10:29:40 am »
Ikaw ata yung nakinig sa soundbytes lang e. Different context yung kay Noynoy and Duterte. Besides kahit pareho pa sila nang ibig sabihin, which is not the case, kaya magnified yung global outrage e dahil namumuro na si Duterte. 3 months na syang nangtratrashtalk so syempre mas pagfiefiestahan sya. Kahit yung mga sensible supporters nga ni Duterte alam na mali din sya and nagsorry na. Yung mga fanatic na lang talaga yung hindi kayang abutin nang sense.


May sense naman tong strategy na to e. It's actually good. Ang tanong lang, laging nagyayabang yung presidente na may listahan na sya nung mga "druglord' so bakit di nila puntahan yung mga yun at paghuhulihin o pagpapatayin? Dahil sa due process? E bat yung mga grunts na pusher o yung mga tamang adik lang walang due process pero yung mga mataas ang social standing meron. Double standards? Si Peter Lim bakit hindi ikulong, diba nasa watchlist sya? Dahil walang evidence? Due process? Pero yung mga grunts sa watchlist patay agad dahil nasa listahan lang?

He made speeches about this countless times, he is threatening criminals. Hindi pagyayabang yun atleast i dont feel it. You are implying sir na pinapapatay nya talaga basta pusher or adik. Ang binibgyan lang nya ng go signal na patayin ay pag lumalaban. And you are right watchlist is the correct term kaya hindi hinuhuli yung mga big time under observation most likely kasi hindi naman sila yung gumagalaw talaga sa labas. Yung mga grunts ang vulnerable kasi sila yung nasa outside or yung gumagalaw and most cases are they do fight back. Pls look at incidents wherein police are dying on the streets too if you are fair minded.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2016, 10:39:01 am »
Yup I believe na as with everything case by case naman talaga at naniniwala naman ako na seryoso yung top brass nang PNP ngayon na linisin yung ranks nila. Ang point ko lang dito e dahil sa standing order ni Duterte e mas lumalaki yung chance nung mga corrupt na police samantalahin yung pagkakataon. In effect mas madaming inosente ang napapatay under the cover of War on Drugs. There are 2 kinds of victims here. Yung mga adik na gusto na talagang magbago at nagpalista dun sa mga baranggay o munisipyo, at yung mga inosente talaga na inapalabas na lang na drug adik. So basically kung hindi ganun ka aggressive yung stance ni Duterte at idahan dahan nya nang konti to account for due process e mas makakapag lagay sila nang measures that would prevent killing of innocents.

Yun ang mahirap we are all looking for a more peaceful solution pero in some cases it cant be helped since both sides may baril.

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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2016, 10:49:02 am »
Yup I know na madami ding namamatay na pulis. Alam ko rin na madami sa mga killings na walang involved na pulis must be the syndicates cleaning their ranks para walang kumanta(which personally for me is ok, let them kill each other). And finally I know na most of the dead addicts are indeed guilty of fighting back. But this is not about rate, kasi kahit sabihin pa nating konti lang  yung mga sinalvage talaga e malakaing number pa rin yun. Halos 5k na yung death toll so kung for example 10% lang dito nag ginawa nang mga korupt na pulis edi 500 pa din yung innocent victims. Kahit 1% pa yan, meaning 99% efficiency of legit operations, e 50 innocent dead people pa rin yun.

Sa totoo lang kahit nung mga pre Duterte presidency debates pa e sinabi ko na talagang ok lang sakin yung pagpapatayin nila yung mga proven kriminals.
And lagi kong sinasabi dito is ang magiging issue dito pag si Duterte yung nanalo e magiging double standard ito in which small fries lang ang mabibiktima at madadamay ang mga inosente pero yung mga big fish o yung mga friends ni Duterte na kriminal e walang mangyayari. Which is yun na nga yung nangyayari. Yung mga friends nyang teroristang NPA which committed more atrocious crimes than a simple adik or dare I say small time pushers are being freed from jail.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2016, 01:40:54 am »
Ikaw ata yung nakinig sa soundbytes lang e. Different context yung kay Noynoy and Duterte. Besides kahit pareho pa sila nang ibig sabihin, which is not the case, kaya magnified yung global outrage e dahil namumuro na si Duterte. 3 months na syang nangtratrashtalk so syempre mas pagfiefiestahan sya. Kahit yung mga sensible supporters nga ni Duterte alam na mali din sya and nagsorry na. Yung mga fanatic na lang talaga yung hindi kayang abutin nang sense.

 So kapag si Noynoy taken out of context, pero kapag Duterte hindi. I may not be sensible to you but I said it already that he should apologize and he did, simply saying na mali ang point of comparison nya though he really have a point. So, dapat lang din magapologize is Noynoy to his Hitler remarks, ow, I forgot, I am one of the person depending Noynoy in his stand of not apologizing to Hongkong people, so that makes me a Duterte Fanatic.

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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2016, 03:03:23 am »
I wonder if those proven drug addicts used "due process" when they abuse illegal drugs, and killed or raped their victims. I wonder if drug dealers used "due process" before selling illegal narcotics to their patrons, thinking what could be the outcome after... for the past years many INNOCENTS have and had suffered because of the proliferation of illegal drugs, and there were no drastic and massive campaigns/actions taken against it, by the congress, senate or the executive department. They were not overwhelmed by the innocent deaths caused by the illegal drugs but now they're acting all shocked by the number of deaths by this users, pushers and druglords. Applying human rights to those narco-people but never to their victims. Wasting taxpayers money for a senate hearing about extrajudicial killings of "ALLEGED" (pwedeng mali/pwedeng tama )narco-people but not for their thousands "INNOCENT" (hinoldap,nirape,pinatay o pinagnakawan) victims.

Only this government have the balls to have this massive campaign to eliminate illegal drugs in the country. My only argument in this campaign is that NO INNOCENT should be involved in this campaign, whether being arrested or killed. TRUE SINNER SHOULD BE PUNISH AND TRUE INNOCENTS ARE FREED. I hope that there were no innocent people were harmed but I highly doubt it. The PNP/AFP and the Executive department should always ensure or give us, the people, the assurance that innocent lives will be spared during this purge.

And for the "yellow" brigade, try to think who are the people behind The Parties campaign funds... Big Man sa Senado baka Bag Man sa Senado.

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Not a "Dutertard", I didn't vote for him at hindi ko gusto ang basurang bunganga nya. As a statesman Duterte should act accordingly as he represent our country.


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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2016, 11:51:25 am »
i too, did not vote for duterte... but as the saying goes, those who are against his ways and procedures on dealing with the drug menace, raise your hand and give a better solution that will eradicate or at least lessen the problem... that is the problem, when others were in power, there was no substantial effort to deal with it... and when the new administration came and did what they think is right, many holler... c'mon, it is common knowledge that it is safer now than before... ask everyone on the street, and they will tell you they can walk in the streets with a sense of security now than before....

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2016, 07:40:40 am »
So kapag si Noynoy taken out of context, pero kapag Duterte hindi.

Magkaiba yung different context kesa sa out of context.