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Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« on: May 11, 2016, 02:31:49 pm »


Total: 41,181,181


Total: 39,763,419

Difference of 1,417,762

I didn't vote, but I'm interested why there is a discrepancy of 1.4M.

I checked the time, parehas namang unofficial count for 12:33am. I triple checked my addition. Pwede bang mag vote ka for President, pero it's fine if di ka mag vote for a VP candidate? Genuinely curious...

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 06:43:50 pm »
pwede ka naman hindi bumoto ng Pres or VP, okay lang iyon. ang hindi pwede ay ang mag-over vote.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 08:20:23 pm »
there may have been some credence to what bongbong marcos has been saying. according to some IT experts who reviews the source codes of the transparency server, nagiba raw ang hash code and upon tracing in the server itself, it seems a script was injected. but as to what the script does, hindi pa alam since they haven't found it yet. they are also not sure if there was cheating all they know is a script was introduced that changed the hash codes of the transmitted files so they no longer matched those from earlier transmissions. that could explain the discrepancies but yes pwede rin naman na hindi nagmatch kasi yung iba isa lang binoto (either voted for president and none for vice president or vice versa). pwede naman kasi yun, hindi totoo yung pag wala kang pinili not valid ang vote mo (which is the reason why some people voted for people they didn't really wanted to - i.e. senators)

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/785207/comelec-transparency-server-tampered-with-it-expert-claims

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2016, 08:26:06 pm »
That is a huge number of voters who did not vote for a Vice! I mean 1.4 M?, come on that is a huge stash of votes to enable a VP win the election.
There is something fishy about it and it stinks. Then came that new hash code issue, it is kind of artificial that it always rounds to 200k on Leni's lead against BBM.
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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 09:08:45 pm »
there may have been some credence to what bongbong marcos has been saying. according to some IT experts who reviews the source codes of the transparency server, nagiba raw ang hash code and upon tracing in the server itself, it seems a script was injected. but as to what the script does, hindi pa alam since they haven't found it yet.

But.. di ba simpleng diff operation lang sa machine code / assembly code para makita kung saan difference? haha


I sincerely doubt na from LP camp ito, hindi ako makaLP pero it makes no sense na gagawa ka ng cheating method na madaling mapansin.. or dahil baka gustong mapansin agad to destabilize the election process.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2016, 09:22:57 pm »
di rin naman imposible yung 1.4m discrepancy.

meron previous election na ang binoto ko lang is president. so hindi imposible na meron din ibang taong katulad ko.

Dahil gaya ng explanation ng isang political analyst, ang VP is just an "excess tire".

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2016, 09:51:32 pm »
kailangan imbestigahan yan.. kahit sabihin pa na posible.. pero highly unlikely na mas may paki tao sa vp kaysa pres

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 12:23:19 am »
kailangan imbestigahan yan.. kahit sabihin pa na posible.. pero highly unlikely na mas may paki tao sa vp kaysa pres
mas malaki votes nang sa Pres kesa sa VP. so mas may paki ang tao sa Pres kesa VP.

Pres = 41,181,181
VP = 39,763,419

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 01:02:28 am »
But.. di ba simpleng diff operation lang sa machine code / assembly code para makita kung saan difference? haha


I sincerely doubt na from LP camp ito, hindi ako makaLP pero it makes no sense na gagawa ka ng cheating method na madaling mapansin.. or dahil baka gustong mapansin agad to destabilize the election process.

yes which is exactly how they knew the hash codes were different but I think they only got access to the transmitted files (txt and zip files from the looks of it). so without having access to the server itself people wont know exactly what was changed, which I dont think these guys had. the report only said they went as a group to the server to ask for an explanation. no other details were given so  I assume hindi sila nabigyan ng explanation

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 04:32:33 am »
update: comelec has admitted there was a script injected but claims it was done by a smartmatic official only to correct a "?" to "ñ" in a candidates name. that would explain why the md5 hash changed since basically it was a new file so new hash. however, kung meron ba ibang ginawa yung script like manipulate vote results, we won't know unless comelec gives access to its servers so people can check what exactly the script did

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2016, 04:47:12 am »
update: comelec has admitted there was a script injected but claims it was done by a smartmatic official only to correct a "?" to "ñ" in a candidates name. that would explain why the md5 hash changed since basically it was a new file so new hash. however, kung meron ba ibang ginawa yung script like manipulate vote results, we won't know unless comelec gives access to its servers so people can check what exactly the script did


Honestly, sana di na lang nila kinorrect, obvious error naman yan and it has nothing to do with the process except for the display part, unless puro enye ang name, pedeng ioverlook na.

Ayan tuloy, daming naghihinala.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2016, 05:20:26 am »
The final count wont come from the automated count diba? It will still be based upon the manual ER count. Kaya sa next week pa ang final results.
So there is really no point in getting this riled up unless you know na matatalo ka at gusto mo lang iprepare ang mindset ng mga tao na meron ngang dayaan.

Saka why is undervoting such an impossible concept? Oh kahit 2m pa yan. madami talagang mas may pake sa pres. Si seneres nga nakakuha pa ng 25k eh. Eh di nga nangampanya, at 3 months nang patay. Unless sigurado sila na may mga hindi nabilang na votes ng VP which is imposible since naudit naman yung code at it will read all or nothing at walang random.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2016, 09:16:53 am »
heres a post from thinkingpinoy that explains in more detail what hash codes are and how they work
http://www.thinkingpinoy.net/2016/05/bbm-bongbong-marcos-leni-robredo-comelec-hash-code-cheating-math.html

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2016, 11:21:51 am »
hmmm.... isn't it that candidates particularly of this high positions have watchers in precint levels? they can immediately check the totals from every polling centers if they match....

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2016, 12:56:31 pm »

but yes pwede rin naman na hindi nagmatch kasi yung iba isa lang binoto (either voted for president and none for vice president or vice versa).
Interesting that you can undervote.

Kasi if you're undervoting, logic would assume that you give 0 fucks about that/those position/s so voting or not voting gives you, as a voter, the same result. Only advantage undervoting gives is that it shortens the time it takes for people to vote, thus shortening the election as a whole but even that is arguable, kasi kung gusto mo mag vote, pipila ka ng maaga. And kung nakapila ka naman na, kahit abutan ka pa ng closing time ng voting period, I doubt na sasaraduhan ka nung precinct, not in your control naman na inabutan ka ng closing since mahaba yung pila...unless that's a thing and sasaraduhan ka nga talaga nila. LOL. So undervoting only really enables yung mga tamad, which, now that I think about it, shouldn't have surprised me.

meron previous election na ang binoto ko lang is president. so hindi imposible na meron din ibang taong katulad ko.
Ano reason kung bakit President lang vinote mo? You took your time pumila, andun ka naman na, why not vote for a Vice? Di naman siya madami like Senators. Pwede ka mag eenie-meenie, pwede ka pumikit tapos kung san dumapo daliri mo yun na Vice mo, pwede ka mag number tapos bilangin mo kung anong letter tatapat yung number mo...it wouldn't take too much time. So why not? It's intriguing to get a glimpse of your mind.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2016, 06:36:02 pm »
does it matter kung ano reason ng mga tao kung bumoto sila ng president and none for vice president? its their choice. and yes it does happen. regardless of what others think about it, it happens and its allowed. some people think that if they dont vote for all positions their vote becomes invalid so they choose whoever just to fill up the choices. some just vote for all positions for the sake of being able to fill up the ballow. Now between those kind of voters and the ones who purposely leaves blank one/some position, who among them is the more intelligent voter?

you can argue all you want about why its a waste, why it serves no purpose etc etc etc etc. BUT at the end of the day it IS ALLOWED and it DOES happen. its your right to choose or not to choose among the choices. that is what the right to vote is all about

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 08:46:42 pm »
that's the thing, its my choice. and that time wala akong nakikitang karapat dapat maging VP. Back then, wala pang internet. We can only rely sa news, print and TV. Hindi kumpleto ang info na makukuha sa bawat candidates. Hindi rin naman ako  sumasali sa band wagon na kung sino popular sa survey sya na ang iboboto.

Sa ilang presidential elections na dumaan, wala pa akong ibinotong president na nanalo.

Kaya hindi imposible na president or VP or kung sino lang ang gustong iboto ng tao ang iboboto nila.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 09:03:33 pm »
Yes nangyayari talaga yan pati sa Local mas marami boto ang Mayor kaysa sa Vice Mayor or vice versa.

Me mga pangyayari din kasi na instead babayaran yung tao para iboto yung kandidato, binabayaran nila para huwag bomoto ng kandidato.

ie: "alam ko maka (insert name of candidate) ka... kung ayaw mo talaga sa kandidato ko... ito o sanlibo wag ka nalang bomoto sa posisyon na yan"


And meron din talagang di kompleto ang  boto tulad ko... although me Pres and VP ako tatlo lang senador ko walang congressman, governor, vgov, iisang board member, walang mayor, walang vice mayor, tatlong councilor.  My reason? Iyon lang talaga ang napili ko. Kasi sa tingin ko hindi karapat dapat yung iba :)
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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2016, 12:12:54 am »
dapat binibilang din yung mga undervote para pareho lahat ng total.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2016, 12:33:08 am »

And meron din talagang di kompleto ang  boto tulad ko... although me Pres and VP ako tatlo lang senador ko walang congressman, governor, vgov, iisang board member, walang mayor, walang vice mayor, tatlong councilor.  My reason? Iyon lang talaga ang napili ko. Kasi sa tingin ko hindi karapat dapat yung iba :)


ako din, walang kwenta or sila-sila din naglalaban sa probinsya namin, madami akong undervote sa LGU


Si Sandro Marcos kasi nag-incite ng issue na to (SM not the sharpest tool in the shed), it's a non-issue kasi nga may undervote, ang problema e yung mga pro-BBM na akala may nakita na silang butas.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2016, 06:36:16 am »
Just sharing some info....

2004 Elections total valid votes for:
President = 32,269,100
Vice President = 30,322,884

2010 Elections. The total valid votes for:
President = 36,139,102
Vice-Presidential = 35,165,555

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2016, 10:24:09 am »
dapat binibilang din yung mga undervote para pareho lahat ng total.


an undervote is what happens when a voter casts a vote less than the maximum number of allowd votes for a given position. in the case of the senatorial race, the maximum is 12. so, if one votes 11 or 10 or  4, that is considered an undervote.

in the case of the VP race, the max is 1. an undervote for this position is a vote less than 1, in other words, zero. so, if one did not cast a vote for the VP, then there is nothing to count as far as that voter is concerned.

hope that clarifies why one cannot count undervotes for positions where one has to vote for only one candidate.

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2016, 10:56:59 am »
hope comelec completes the vp count asap or else it will put the position in a bad light....

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2016, 12:16:06 pm »

an undervote is what happens when a voter casts a vote less than the maximum number of allowd votes for a given position. in the case of the senatorial race, the maximum is 12. so, if one votes 11 or 10 or  4, that is considered an undervote.

in the case of the VP race, the max is 1. an undervote for this position is a vote less than 1, in other words, zero. so, if one did not cast a vote for the VP, then there is nothing to count as far as that voter is concerned.

hope that clarifies why one cannot count undervotes for positions where one has to vote for only one candidate.


Mali.

As obvious as it may sound sa tin, na kaya nga "under" e dahil kulang, paglabas ng receipt kahit zero man yan of 1 maximum choice, undervote pa rin. Take it from me, wala akong binotong LGU, isa na dun yung gob, at -undervote- ang nakasulat sa voting receipt.

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Re: Voters for President don't match voters for Vice.
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2016, 09:49:26 am »

an undervote is what happens when a voter casts a vote less than the maximum number of allowd votes for a given position. in the case of the senatorial race, the maximum is 12. so, if one votes 11 or 10 or  4, that is considered an undervote.

in the case of the VP race, the max is 1. an undervote for this position is a vote less than 1, in other words, zero. so, if one did not cast a vote for the VP, then there is nothing to count as far as that voter is concerned.

hope that clarifies why one cannot count undervotes for positions where one has to vote for only one candidate.

what?
mabibilang pa rin yan dapat. kung wala kang binoto sa VP, yung balota mo may bilang na undervote.

so dapat may 1,417,762 (as per TS) na undervote sa VP, para maging same ang total.