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PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« on: December 04, 2009, 08:23:08 pm »
MANILA (7th UPDATE) - President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo officially declared martial law in the province of Maguindanao on Saturday morning.

Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita announced Proclamation No. 1959 proclaiming a state of martial law and suspending the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus in the province of Maguindanao, except for certain areas identified as bailiwicks of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

The declaration of martial law will lead to the arrests without warrants of other members of the Ampatuan family who have been linked to the November 23 massacre.

Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Chief of Staff Gen. Victor Ibrado announced that joint police and military teams have taken into custody Maguindanao Gov. Andal Ampatuan Sr. and his son, Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM) Gov. Zaldy Ampatuan.

Ibrado said Ampatuan Sr. was brought to a hospital in Davao City while the ARMM governor was brought to General Santos City.

There are now three Ampatuans under government custody, including Datu Unsay town Mayor Andal Ampatuan Jr., who has been charged with 25 counts of murder for the massacre.

The carnage, where 57 innocent civilians were killed, drew both local and international condemnation. It was allegedly led by Ampatuan Jr., who is already detained at the National Bureau of Investigation.

Ermita said President Arroyo decided to declare martial law because "heavily armed groups in the province of Maguidanao have established positions to resist govenrment troops, thereby depriving the executive of its powers and prerogatives to enforce the laws of the land and to maintain public order and safety."

The declaration added that despite the state of emergency declared last November 14, peace and order in the province continued to deteriorate "to the extent that local judicial system and other government mechanisms are not functioning."

Government sources, who declined to be named, earlier told abs-cbnNEWS.com/Newsbreak on Friday that martial law will take effect Saturday in Maguindanao.

President Arroyo, also commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Philippines, reportedly approved the order Thursday night.

While martial law is in effect, Lt. Gen. Raymundo Ferrer, Armed Forces' Eastern Mindanao Command chief, will take over as the provincial military governor.

Ibrado said there are at least 4,000 military troops already deployed in the province to enforce martial law.

No confirmation on Friday

Asked for comment on Friday evening, Armed Forces Eastern Mindanao Command spokesman Maj. Randolph Cabangbang said their unit "has not received any order for implementation."

Armed Forces spokesman Lt. Col. Romeo Brawner said the report was not true, while Presidential Adviser on Mindanao Affairs Jesus Dureza said he will get back with the media "if there's definite word."

"Usually, martial law declaration is not announced until action starts on the ground. Otherwise, the purpose and objective is lost," he said in a text message.

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile said he will await the report of the President to Congress, which is required by the Constitution.

Col. Leo Cresente Ferrer, acting commander of the 601st Brigade, said it was the first time he had heard news of a martial law declaration in Maguindanao. He added that he did not see the need for it since the military has everything under control.

Congress may not be able to convene

When previously asked about martial law in the south, House Speaker Prospero Nograles, said last Monday (not Friday as we earlier reported): "This issue must be recommended by the National Security cluster group and the military on the ground to enable the president to correctly assess the situation."

Nograles said Congress may find it hard to convene and assess the declaration of martial law.

Under the Constitution, "Congress, voting jointly, by a vote of at least a majority of all its Members in regular or special session, may revoke such proclamation or suspension, which revocation shall not be set aside by the President."

The charter also states that on the president's initiative, Congress may also "extend such proclamation or suspension for a period to be determined by the Congress, if the invasion or rebellion shall persist and public safety requires it."

Nograles said: "Martial law can be impractical at this time as it requires the approval of Congress, which will most likely have difficulty mustering a quorum due to the holidays and the election season. Even if we have a quorum, I don't think our senators and congressmen will favor this because it will certainly cause public uproar which can endanger their reelection bid."

"A limited state of emergency in Maguindanao and nearby provinces is sufficient to address the problem related to the Maguindanao massacre," he added.

5 other Ampatuans

On Friday, Justice Secretary Agnes Devanadera said they will issue subpoenas to Ampatuan Sr. and four other members of his clan for a preliminary investigation into their possible involvement in the massacre.

Devanadera said the other clan members who will be summoned to appear in the preliminary investigations are Datu Ulo Ampatuan, Mamasapano town Mayor Bahnarin Ampatuan, and vice-mayors Kanor Ampatuan and Tony Kenis Ampatuan.

Only Ampatuan Sr.'s son and namesake, Datu Unsay town Mayor Andal Ampatuan Jr., has been arrested and detained at the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) headquarters in Manila.

Ampatuan Jr. has been charged with 25 counts of murder.

Martial law under 1987 Charter

Under the 1987 Constitution, the declaration of martial law will suspend the writ of habeas corpus, which means some citizens may be arrested without warrants.

Section 18 of the Charter states: "The President shall be the Commander-in-Chief of all armed forces of the Philippines and whenever it becomes necessary, he may call out such armed forces to prevent or suppress lawless violence, invasion or rebellion. In case of invasion or rebellion, when the public safety requires it, he may, for a period not exceeding sixty days, suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus or place the Philippines or any part thereof under martial law."

However, the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus only applies to persons charged for "rebellion" or offenses connected with an invasion.

"The suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall apply only to persons judicially charged for rebellion or offenses inherent in, or directly connected with, invasion," the Constitution also says.

It also adds: "During the suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, any person thus arrested or detained shall be judicially charged within three days, otherwise he shall be released."
 
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/12/04/09/arroyo-orders-martial-law-maguindanao

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2009, 08:46:08 pm »
sabi sa  Art VII, Section 18 ng Constitution natin:

    "In case of invasion or rebellion, when the public safety requires it, he may, for a period not exceeding sixty days, suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus or place the Philippines or any part thereof under martial law."

so ano kaya ang basis ni Lola Gloria para magdeclare ng Martial Law?

IMO, me nilulutong mas malaki ang gobyerno ni GMA .. Andam tayo mg kaespiya.
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 09:13:37 pm »
sabi sa  Art VII, Section 18 ng Constitution natin:

    "In case of invasion or rebellion, when the public safety requires it, he may, for a period not exceeding sixty days, suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus or place the Philippines or any part thereof under martial law."

so ano kaya ang basis ni Lola Gloria para magdeclare ng Martial Law?

IMO, me nilulutong mas malaki ang gobyerno ni GMA .. Andam tayo mg kaespiya.

Bilib din talaga ako sa inyong mga reklamador. Hindi niyo ba maintindihan na hindi sapat ang batas para makamit ang hustisya. Kung may Martial Law, wala ng tanong tanong at walang lusot lusot. Kayo na lang kaya mag-imbestiga? Kayo kaya magtrabaho para pumasok naman sa isip niyo kung ano ang binibigay sa inyo ng batas?

Manahimik na lang kayo mga reklamador. Mga panggulo sa kalsada. Saksakan ng kontra ang bunganga ninyo.
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2009, 09:28:35 pm »
Quote
sabi sa  Art VII, Section 18 ng Constitution natin:

    "In case of invasion or rebellion, when the public safety requires it, he may, for a period not exceeding sixty days, suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus or place the Philippines or any part thereof under martial law."

so ano kaya ang basis ni Lola Gloria para magdeclare ng Martial Law?

IMO, me nilulutong mas malaki ang gobyerno ni GMA .. Andam tayo mg kaespiya.

di naman siguro, baka nagsumbong yung mga CHR forensic experts kasi hinaharass at inoobserve sila ng mga armed groups na di nagpapakilala. One good move to,

pero sana di yan umabot hanggang election. imagine kung ang isang lugar eh naka martial law, walang pinagkaiba kung nakakalaya pa ang mga ampatuans.

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 09:29:42 pm »
Bilib din talaga ako sa inyong mga reklamador. Hindi niyo ba maintindihan na hindi sapat ang batas para makamit ang hustisya. Kung may Martial Law, wala ng tanong tanong at walang lusot lusot. Kayo na lang kaya mag-imbestiga? Kayo kaya magtrabaho para pumasok naman sa isip niyo kung ano ang binibigay sa inyo ng batas?

Manahimik na lang kayo mga reklamador. Mga panggulo sa kalsada. Saksakan ng kontra ang bunganga ninyo.

I TOTALLY AGREE.. finger4u

I think that declaring Martial Law is the best thing to do..perhaps yung ibang kumokontra, hindi pa kayo napunta sa Mindanao..people kill for their beliefs, and some believe that killing someone is righteuos..Im not saying anything bad about Mindanao, its just the reality of what's happening in Maguindanao..Problema sa ibang sa'tin, dami natin spekulasyon, sobra inaanticipate na natin lahat ng mangyayari, I'm not saying we should..pero minsan OA na eh, worst sobrang pessimistic..iniisip natin may human rights violation agad, the government is cooking up an evil plan, white wash..these are hearsay! base-less!..tingin niyo ba the government would implement a law with no legal basis. Puro tayo reklamo, wala din naman tayong solusyon, we can't even help ourselves be disciplined.

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 09:32:16 pm »
at last, may magandang reaksyon na rin ang gobyerno

wait and see muna  smoking::
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 09:34:13 pm »
Para sa akin...

Nakakahiya ang pagdeclare nitong Martial Law...  Isipin nyo, isolated case that involves 2 clan only, martial law na?  Ganyan na ba kahina ang gobyerno natin?  
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 09:36:28 pm »
sabi sa  Art VII, Section 18 ng Constitution natin:

    "In case of invasion or rebellion, when the public safety requires it, he may, for a period not exceeding sixty days, suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus or place the Philippines or any part thereof under martial law."

so ano kaya ang basis ni Lola Gloria para magdeclare ng Martial Law?

IMO, me nilulutong mas malaki ang gobyerno ni GMA .. Andam tayo mg kaespiya.

Chong no offense ah. Pero binasa mo ba talaga yung article na pinost nung topic starter? Ermita said the elements of rebellion are present. Ano nga ba ang elements ng rebellion? The elements are the following:

1) That there be a public uprising, and taking arms against the government;

2) That the purpose of the uprising or movement is either [a] to remove from the allegiance to said Government or its laws the territory of the Philippines or any part thereof or any body of land, naval or other armed forces; or to deprive the Chief Executive or Congress, wholly or partially, of any of their powers or prerogatives.

Are the said elements present in the case of Maguindanao? Go ahead, everyone is free to argue their side.

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 09:38:55 pm »
Tama. Iba ang set up ng Mindanao. Hindi ba kayo nag-aral ng Philippine history? High school lang yun. Panahon pa ng hapon hanggang Marcos at hanggang ngayon walang nakakapasok sa Mindanao.

Bakit Martial Law?
Ilan ang inarestong Ampatuan? 1 at sumuko pa. Not guilty pa ang claim.
May warrant na nagmamakaawa pa rin ang Pulis/Militar para makapasok sa Private property ng Ampatuan. Hanggang kalsada lang sila.
Ngayon nasaan na ang mga tao? Witnesses? Wala na. Nakatakbo na. Dahil nga hindi nila maaresto.

Kasama sa Charter Change ay yung pag alis ng kapangyarihan sa local government sa pagpili ng Head of Police nila.
Sa kakapigil ninyo, tingnan niyo kung saan nakuha ng mga Ampatuan ang mga armas nila. Sa PNP.
Reklamo kayo ng reklama sa epekto ng Jueteng.. ah ewan ko sa pag iisip ninyo.
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 09:46:57 pm »
Chong no offense ah. Pero binasa mo ba talaga yung article na pinost nung topic starter? Ermita said the elements of rebellion are present. Ano nga ba ang elements ng rebellion? The elements are the following:

1) That there be a public uprising, and taking arms against the government;

2) That the purpose of the uprising or movement is either [a] to remove from the allegiance to said Government or its laws the territory of the Philippines or any part thereof or any body of land, naval or other armed forces; or to deprive the Chief Executive or Congress, wholly or partially, of any of their powers or prerogatives.

Are the said elements present in the case of Maguindanao? Go ahead, everyone is free to argue their side.

Ermita said President Arroyo decided to declare martial law because "heavily armed groups in the province of Maguidanao have established positions to resist govenrment troops, thereby depriving the executive of its powers and prerogatives to enforce the laws of the land and to maintain public order and safety."

The declaration added that despite the state of emergency declared last November 14, peace and order in the province continued to deteriorate "to the extent that local judicial system and other government mechanisms are not functioning.


Nasa Maguindanao ka ba? Ako wala ako sa Maguindanao at hindi ako sundalo na nasa Maguindanao. Ikaw yata nasa Maguindanao ka at alam na alam mo yung mga nangyayari sa lugar na yun.
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 10:06:23 pm »
Ermita said President Arroyo decided to declare martial law because "heavily armed groups in the province of Maguidanao have established positions to resist govenrment troops, thereby depriving the executive of its powers and prerogatives to enforce the laws of the land and to maintain public order and safety."

The declaration added that despite the state of emergency declared last November 14, peace and order in the province continued to deteriorate "to the extent that local judicial system and other government mechanisms are not functioning.


Nasa Maguindanao ka ba? Ako wala ako sa Maguindanao at hindi ako sundalo na nasa Maguindanao. Ikaw yata nasa Maguindanao ka at alam na alam mo yung mga nangyayari sa lugar na yun.

I think the guy agrees with the declaration as well, he just needed affirmation.

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 11:22:46 pm »
 8) sa tingin ko tama naman un ginawa ng gobyerno, ksi kung hindi nila ginawa yun may limitation ang mga sundalo, look di sila basta basta mkapasok sa bahay ng ampatuan di ba sa akin tama lang yun ginawa ni pgma, sana ganon yun plano ni pgma baka kasi front lang yan e

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 11:53:51 pm »
@ TS 

Sa wakas may  kaboboluhan narin yng topic mo..  1st pa yan keep it up, ndi puro tsimiss ng mga celebrity..


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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2009, 12:27:34 am »
Mga espiya wag na kayong magtalo-talo lalo lalo na ang Taga Luzon, visayas na member, kaming taga mindanao alam namin nangyayari dito, source ng friend ko from maguindanao, nahihirapan ang NBI,PNP,SOCO,INTEL,AFP sa mga amptauans, dahil may power parin silang tinatamasa kaya.... ang punto, di makakapasok basta basta ang mga sundalo for search, sa mga bahay ng mga ampatuans, kahit may search warrant, nakikita niyo naman sa balita sa tv patrol, at saksi, eh kung pobre lang yan sila at walang kapangyarihan dapat unang araw sinearch na mga bahay nila..
Kaya Nahirapan ang gobyerno na tugisin mga suspetsado dahil may mga opisyales parin na tiwaling na tumutulong kay amtapuan, kaya may mga GOOD AT CLEAN INVESTIGATOR na tumutulong sa kaso na iyan, ang problema di sila makaka-puwesto ng maayos dahil hinaharangan at pinagbabantaan ng mga intel killer ng mga ampatuan. Kaya Normal lang na magdeklara ng martial law sa maguindanao.. lahat ng army dun pinalitan, lahat ng luma nireshuffle na.

Ang Dapat na ipagdasal natin, dapat matapos na ang pagiimbestiga at maparusahan na ang mga amptauan, Kahit baliktarin man ang usapan tulad na si ampatuan inosente, di totoo yan, sabi nga ng friend ko eh, lahat ng tao dun takot sa mga ampatuans clan. Para kang ipis na tinitiris dun, kahit Opisayal kapa ng militar o pnp kaya ka nilang bilhin at baliktarin. kita niyo naman mga kasabwat sa pagpatay mga opisyal ng pulis.

Think 100 times, bakit kailangan mag martial law dun? kasi di makakaaksyon ang militar at imbestigador sa ginagawa nilang pangangalap ng ibidensya dahil LIMITED ang Galaw nila DAHIL sa mga "INTEL BATA" ni Ampatuan, NAGBABANTA, NILILIHIS ang Usapan Tungkol sa kung sino-sino pa ang pumatay.... Sana maintindihan niyo ito... mga taga luzon at visayas Espiya Members... Wag Crab Mentality, itabi muna mga marcos style na martial law, Iba ang problema dun, iba rin
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2009, 12:31:34 am »
tama ang ginawa ni PGMA... actually parang sobra ung hatol pero after seeing the guns and ammo... tama lang ang martial law..

kita mo talaga ung mga tao sa cotabato na ang hihirap.. tapos ang lalaki ng mansion ng local gov't official.. may mali talaga...

mga taga visayas at luzon... narinig niyo na ba ang alleged story ni Ampatuan Sr. and his chainsaw?
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2009, 12:40:28 am »
@beaverjohn2006 at Madarame Ikkaku - Pwede tumahimik muna kayo at nag dedebate ang mga ANAK NG #$*@&#, NG ANO, NG SUSMARYOSEP na si laitzu at ang napakagaling at makasariling hippo.

Siguro pagkatapos ng Martial Law ay dapat ma-DMZ (demilitarized zone) ang Maguindanao para hindi agad makabalik sa kapangyarihan ang mga involved na political plans. Sa pananaw ko lang, hindi matatapos ang kaguluhan sa lahat ng sulok ng Mindanao kahit makulong lahat ng Ampatuan. Kailangan nga talaga ng sariling Presidente o super-Governor ang Mindanao dahil iba nga talaga ang sitwasyon.
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2009, 12:58:45 am »
@beaverjohn2006 at Madarame Ikkaku - Pwede tumahimik muna kayo at nag dedebate ang mga ANAK NG #$*@&#, NG ANO, NG SUSMARYOSEP na si laitzu at ang napakagaling at makasariling hippo.

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2009, 01:18:56 am »
60 days lang po ba ang limited time ng martial law na yan? abay dapat magmadali ang gobyerno para gawin lahat ng mga solusyon sa problema na yan.

and dapat lahat ng ng mga provinces na kasama sa ARMM para masuyod na lahat ng suyurin. marami din naman kasi sa mga neighbouring provinces ay mga allies ng mga Ampatuan so there are possibilities na may mga itinatago din ang mga ito.

sa move na ito ni GMA ito para sa kanya  finger4u
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2009, 01:22:15 am »
@beaverjohn2006 at Madarame Ikkaku - Pwede tumahimik muna kayo at nag dedebate ang mga ANAK NG #$*@&#, NG ANO, NG SUSMARYOSEP na si laitzu at ang napakagaling at makasariling hippo.

Siguro pagkatapos ng Martial Law ay dapat ma-DMZ (demilitarized zone) ang Maguindanao para hindi agad makabalik sa kapangyarihan ang mga involved na political plans. Sa pananaw ko lang, hindi matatapos ang kaguluhan sa lahat ng sulok ng Mindanao kahit makulong lahat ng Ampatuan. Kailangan nga talaga ng sariling Presidente o super-Governor ang Mindanao dahil iba nga talaga ang sitwasyon.

you told me to shut up? pero ok lang.. pareho naman tayo ng punto eh..
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2009, 01:32:07 am »
Joe black? DID I SAY "dakdak?" nagpapatutsada ba ako? may mali ba sa coment ko? nililinaw ko lang ang usapan about martial law... dito sa maguindanao na dapat man lang talaga. Nililinaw ko ang isyu dahil ang mga taga luzon at visayas member dito, wala pang alam yung iba sa mga totoong nagyayari dito sa maguindanao. pero ang ibang member sa luzon at visayas konti pa lang ang nakaalam o nakakaintindi...
Ikaw taga saan ka joeblack? before ka magsabi na nagdedebate ako read carefully yung mga sinabi ko... debate ba yun o paglilinaw sa isang usapan o topic o isyu? espiyang joeblack punta ka gensan dalhin kita sa maguindano kasama ko ang nakatataas ko na opisyales ko sa intel cidg... para makita mo ang totoong sitwasyon ng maguindanao..... ::flowers ::flowers

Again pls no flaming.... imbes na magusap tayo ng paglilinaw wag crab mentality, before kayo magsabi ng di maganda sa isang member. pag-aralan niyo muna ang isang sitwasyon.

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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2009, 01:35:43 am »
Sorry nakalimutan ko yung  ;D to indicate sarcasm. I apologize.
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2009, 01:47:57 am »
@beaverjohn2006 at Madarame Ikkaku - Pwede tumahimik muna kayo at nag dedebate ang mga ANAK NG #$*@&#, NG ANO, NG SUSMARYOSEP na si laitzu at ang napakagaling at makasariling hippo.

Siguro pagkatapos ng Martial Law ay dapat ma-DMZ (demilitarized zone) ang Maguindanao para hindi agad makabalik sa kapangyarihan ang mga involved na political plans. Sa pananaw ko lang, hindi matatapos ang kaguluhan sa lahat ng sulok ng Mindanao kahit makulong lahat ng Ampatuan. Kailangan nga talaga ng sariling Presidente o super-Governor ang Mindanao dahil iba nga talaga ang sitwasyon.


Hayaan mo yang si Laitzu dahil di pa niya alam katotohanan. wag mo kaming sabihan na tumahimik, dahil ang punto ko dito, nililinaw ko ang isyu sa martial law sa maguindanao. para maintindihan ng ibang ka-espiya. kaya read niyo ang comment ko sa page 1 dito...

Ako bilang espiya member hindi ako magcomento kung WALANG KABULUHAN SOURCE ko... yun lang. sa totoo lang ngayon lang ako nagkomento sa mga ganitong usapan since ipinanganak ang espiya sa net... dito lang ako nag comment ng todo-todo. dahil gusto ko yung ibang member ng espiya dito na konti palang ang alam sa totoong sitwasyon sa maguindanao, gusto ko na malaman nila ang katotohan kung bakit nagka-martial law. yun lang mr.joeblack wag kang highblood.
"Ang disiplinadong espiya ay nakakaintindi sa isang topic, at hindi nagbibigay ng apoy sa usapan..."
Hayaan mo si Laitzu kasi walang konti lang alam niyan, kaya ako nacomment para malinawan siya sa isyu.


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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2009, 01:54:57 am »
Sorry nakalimutan ko yung  ;D to indicate sarcasm. I apologize.

It's OK Joeblack nextime wag highblood sa usapan dito, dapat dun tayo ma HAYBLOOD sa mga suspect na iyan...
Hayaan niyo pagmakakuha ako bagong info share ko dito update ko lang sa espiya...
Let's pray wag sana mabalewala ang invistigation sa massacre, dahil napakalakas parin ng power ng mga ampatuans.
I Hope Our good Government Official lalo na ang nangununa sa imbestigasyon nawa'y, hindi sila masilaw sa tinatawag ng pakiusap or Deal ng pamilya ampatuan....
Gets niyo? ;)

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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2009, 02:03:50 am »
Pero hindi maiiwasan ang deals. Kasi politics yan at buhay. Its all about compromise. Sabihin natin na yung opposition ang mauuupo sa Maguindanao, ganun din ba ang mangyayari? Hindi naman kasi tao ang problema. Policies ang problema.

Matanong lang kita beaverjohn. Bilang isang tao na namumuhay sa Mindanao, sa tingin mo ba nama-maximize ninyo ang sarili ninyong resources tulad ng tax? Sa tingin ninyo bumabalik ba ang pera ninyo?
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Re: PGMA declares Martial Law in Maguindanao
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2009, 02:25:40 am »
Alam mo joeblack kahit saang sulok ng pilipinas,lahat ng tax ng tao, ninanakaw ng mga politiko konti lang ang ibinabalik nila sa mga tao, wag silang magsabi na wala,kahit saang rehiyon ng bansa mahirap, Mula Appari hanggang jolo mahirap ang mga ordinaryong pinoy. dahil lahat naman tayo saksi sa mga ginagawa nila, kahit patago alam natin yan. kaya marami kumakandidato para maging instant milyonaryo, normal lang ang tinatawag na hidden agenda "Cash-unduan"....

Ang sa atin naman dito sa topic, Sana, "sana nga lang" Wag sanang ma-deal ng mga ampatuan ang Good Government officials na nag-iimbestiga sa massacre.... gets mo joeblack? Nawa'y mabigyang ng hustisya ang mga biktima.. Agree ka joeblack? ako Oo agree ako na matapos na ang lahat ng imbestigasyon.

 toast:: Beer ka muna joeblack, pag-usapan natin yung kagaguhan ng ampatuan.