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The Philippine Navy (PN) is set to open the bidding of 2 brand new Frigates worth P18 Billion (USD 418 million), and although no specific timeline has been put forward, it is hoped that it will happen within the year.[1] So far only Spain’s Navantia has publicly stated that they intend to join the bidding to offer their Avante 1800 (A1800) Corvette[2]. Also, Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) of South Korea as early as last year had talks with the Department of National Defense (DND) on the possibility of them joining any new Frigate bidding thru their Incheon-class Frigates.[2]

I have prepared a table below comparing some of the important statisctics regarding these 2 candidates, and comparing them also to the BRP Ramon Alcaraz we have right now. Sources of these statistics can be seen at the “Sources” section at the end of the page.[4][5][6]

‘Summaries’
* Air Defense:
- Here the Avante has the advantage as its vertical launchers for Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) can accommodate various medium-range SAMs, like the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) the Spanish Navy uses. The Incheon does have a redundant gun (Phalanx) AND missile-based (Rolling Airframe Missile or RAM) Close-In Weapon System (CIWS), but these are for short-range air defense only. The ESSM has around 456% more range than the RAM (9km versus 50km).[7][8]

* Anti-Ship/Land Attack:
- The Incheon can carry more 4 more missiles and their launchers as is. Even if the PN will not use Cruise Missiles, these can be allocated for Anti Ship Missiles (ASMs) instead, increasing its ASMs by 66% to 12
- The Incheon’s gun has a much higher caliber, 106% larger, and can hit targets 50% farther, although it has a 112% slower rate of fire than the A1800′s gun.

* Size, Speed and Range:
- The Incheon offers 20% more speed and 66% more range than the A1800.
- The Incheon is also 21% heavier and 27% longer than the A1800 in terms of physical size

‘Observations’
As we can see, gallant though is Navantia’s offer maybe, but it is beaten in almost all parameters by the Incheon. Hence, its a no brainer that if the Incheon can be bought by the same budget, then it will be the one that should be bought.

However, what bothers me is why Navantia is offering such a small and inferior ship for that budget range? One way to interpret this is that Spain’s labor and other costs are so high compared to an Asian country like South Korea (Sokor) that it cannot compete anymore in terms of price. But the thing is that Sokor is not really an impoverished Asian country, it is in fact one of the most developed countries in Asia, hence in terms of costs I don’t think the gap between them and Europe is really that great.

Another way to interpret this is that the PN’s budget for a brand new ship will is only enough for these smaller ships similar to what Navantia is offering rather than ships of the size and capability of an Incheon-class Frigate. Remember that HHI has not formally announced they are joining the bid and with what model yet, hence it is possible that HHI may not even join the bid, or that they may do so with a smaller or lighter ship or variant.

Also of note is how the Hamilton matches up well with the Incheon in terms of performance. It has about the same speed, and more than twice the range. The only thing it lacks is a stealth profile, typical since it is an older ship from the 60s. If upgraded to USCGC Mellon standards[9], it should be pretty respectable Frigate for our PN.

‘Parting Shot’
We’ll have to wait for the other bidders who will come forward in the next couple of months, if there will be any other bidders. The the type of ships these other bidders will enter will reflect on whether Navantia’s offer is really overpriced for its size and capability, or if it is just right. Hopefully we can also make more comparisons and see which ship will have the advantage, at least on paper, and I am looking forward to that.

http://rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/philippine-navy-new-frigate-bidding-candidates-august-2013/

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Re: Philippine Navy New Frigate Bidding Candidates – August 2013
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2013, 03:31:10 am »
yan ang tama hardcore hardcore

may mga missiles at torpedoes

hindi second hand lang na galing sa US na wala man lang air defense capability ni wala man lang missiles puro kanyon lang kaya di natatakot ang mga taiwanese at chinese fishing boat dito puro kanyaon lang at sa atin e

magdala lang ng RPG ang kalaban e baka lumubog pa ang hamilton na yan

tsaka aircraft carrier made in India sana makabili din

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Re: Philippine Navy New Frigate Bidding Candidates – August 2013
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2013, 04:42:30 am »
My main issue with the Avante 1800 is it does not have have any CIWS.. I don't think relying on ESSMs alone is a good idea.

The Incheon on the other hand have 2 CIWS that compliment each other but no long range air defense missiles. I wonder if its possible that the ship be equipped with ESSM's in VLS instead of those Land-Attack Cruise missile. The space occupied by cruise missiles instead be used by VLS such as these:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m109/40niner_com/Warships/Syst/5204f499.gif
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/grassmoker69/mk-48hang.jpg



hindi second hand lang na galing sa US na wala man lang air defense capability ni wala man lang missiles puro kanyon lang kaya di natatakot ang mga taiwanese at chinese fishing boat dito puro kanyaon lang at sa atin e


As stated, the Hamiltons CAN BE UPGRADED. Its just a matter of funding and its intended purpose for the Navy (you don't need missiles and torpedo if all you want is a ship capable of extended patrol)

Would this make you happy?

http://blog.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mellon_harpoon.jpg


Note: Pics are from Timawa.net
« Last Edit: August 14, 2013, 04:45:04 am by tigerwing »

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Re: Philippine Navy New Frigate Bidding Candidates – August 2013
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2013, 11:15:03 am »
If the phil navy really serious in getting into the missile era the Incheon is a great flatform. they can rotate crew from the old cyclone class to the WHECS and then to the modern full complement incheon class

then we will have crew to handle modern missile ships .. Pinoy want to recruit more men to the armed forces he can get graduates from maritime schools to manned the new frigates

But then again there might be other bidders.....
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